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Announcement regarding rewards and prizes to fansites and third-party contributors

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Frying Doom
#1601 - 2013-12-04 22:06:28 UTC
Thank god for the new games coming out where customer service does not mean ignoring your customers.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
GreenSeed
#1602 - 2013-12-04 22:13:05 UTC
the same 5 - 6 players keep bumping the thread... go away please, most people do not share your fake outrage.
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1603 - 2013-12-04 22:34:30 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
the same 5 - 6 players keep bumping the thread... go away please, most people do not share your fake outrage.


Maybe not, but thanks for the bump. Blink

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Nanatoa
#1604 - 2013-12-04 22:49:18 UTC
Those who were following my 16B bait-and-switch scam saga, where SOMER BLINK did not grant my request for a refund after prizes in their contest were withdrawn, with SOMER blaming CCP for changing the prizes:
a lead GM has confirmed (and I am paraphrasing here, as quoting him would be against the rules) that this contest was run by SOMER BLINK, with no oversight from CCP. The lead GM also said that no one from CCP had said that SOMER BLINK wouldn't scam, only that they haven't scammed in the past.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1605 - 2013-12-04 23:08:24 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Those who were following my 16B bait-and-switch scam saga, where SOMER BLINK did not grant my request for a refund after prizes in their contest were withdrawn, with SOMER blaming CCP for changing the prizes:
a lead GM has confirmed (and I am paraphrasing here, as quoting him would be against the rules) that this contest was run by SOMER BLINK, with no oversight from CCP. The lead GM also said that no one from CCP had said that SOMER BLINK wouldn't scam, only that they haven't scammed in the past.


That's rather a jerk move on CCP's part, to try to dump all the responsibility on SOMER. Especially after CCP came out and said that SOMER had no control over the change in prizes, as it was CCP's decision in response to the player outrage. Since CCP made the change, they should bear primary responsibility for ensuring resulting reimbursements.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Nanatoa
#1606 - 2013-12-04 23:20:09 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:
That's rather a jerk move on CCP's part, to try to dump all the responsibility on SOMER. Especially after CCP came out and said that SOMER had no control over the change in prizes, as it was CCP's decision in response to the player outrage. Since CCP made the change, they should bear primary responsibility for ensuring resulting reimbursements.


I disagree, as this was SOMER BLINK's contest, but I'll follow your line of thinking. Let's assume this is CCP's responsibility, and let's assume that SOMER BLINK is "trustworthy and reliable" as a dev has claimed (well before a GM confirmed SOMER BLINK did scam me) - why doesn't SOMER refund me my 16B and then claim the 16B from CCP?

Because right now the result is that SOMER is sitting on my 16B while pointing at CCP. SOMER has my 16B, I have nothing, and both SOMER and CCP point at eachother. Why doesn't SOMER give me my 16B back and then SOMER and CCP can fight amongst themselves who should ultimately pay for that refund?

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1607 - 2013-12-04 23:48:03 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
That's rather a jerk move on CCP's part, to try to dump all the responsibility on SOMER. Especially after CCP came out and said that SOMER had no control over the change in prizes, as it was CCP's decision in response to the player outrage. Since CCP made the change, they should bear primary responsibility for ensuring resulting reimbursements.


I disagree, as this was SOMER BLINK's contest, but I'll follow your line of thinking. Let's assume this is CCP's responsibility, and let's assume that SOMER BLINK is "trustworthy and reliable" as a dev has claimed (well before a GM confirmed SOMER BLINK did scam me) - why doesn't SOMER refund me my 16B and then claim the 16B from CCP?

Because right now the result is that SOMER is sitting on my 16B while pointing at CCP. SOMER has my 16B, I have nothing, and both SOMER and CCP point at eachother. Why doesn't SOMER give me my 16B back and then SOMER and CCP can fight amongst themselves who should ultimately pay for that refund?


Well, probably because it's not your ISK anymore. It's SOMER's. So you should probably stop referring to as "your ISK"

The entire concept of SOMER is a scam. They charge more in tickets than the prizes cost. It's a for-profit enterprise. The more ISK you give them, the more you will lose.

The only thing your story does for me is the cement how ridiculous it is for CCP to trust SOMER with distributing prizes. They scam people.

CCP should not be officially affiliated with scammers.
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1608 - 2013-12-04 23:50:50 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
That's rather a jerk move on CCP's part, to try to dump all the responsibility on SOMER. Especially after CCP came out and said that SOMER had no control over the change in prizes, as it was CCP's decision in response to the player outrage. Since CCP made the change, they should bear primary responsibility for ensuring resulting reimbursements.


I disagree, as this was SOMER BLINK's contest, but I'll follow your line of thinking. Let's assume this is CCP's responsibility, and let's assume that SOMER BLINK is "trustworthy and reliable" as a dev has claimed (well before a GM confirmed SOMER BLINK did scam me) - why doesn't SOMER refund me my 16B and then claim the 16B from CCP?

Because right now the result is that SOMER is sitting on my 16B while pointing at CCP. SOMER has my 16B, I have nothing, and both SOMER and CCP point at eachother. Why doesn't SOMER give me my 16B back and then SOMER and CCP can fight amongst themselves who should ultimately pay for that refund?


Oh, I don't disagree that SOMER should be reimbursing you; I just think that since the prize change was CCP's doing, they should be making sure that it happens. Frankly, I think that both entities are culpable; I was just pointing out that I don't think CCP should get to weasel out of their share of the responsibility.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Kate stark
#1609 - 2013-12-05 06:20:13 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
the same 5 - 6 players keep bumping the thread... go away please, most people do not share your fake outrage.

no.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1610 - 2013-12-05 06:23:42 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
That's rather a jerk move on CCP's part, to try to dump all the responsibility on SOMER. Especially after CCP came out and said that SOMER had no control over the change in prizes, as it was CCP's decision in response to the player outrage. Since CCP made the change, they should bear primary responsibility for ensuring resulting reimbursements.


I disagree, as this was SOMER BLINK's contest, but I'll follow your line of thinking. Let's assume this is CCP's responsibility, and let's assume that SOMER BLINK is "trustworthy and reliable" as a dev has claimed (well before a GM confirmed SOMER BLINK did scam me) - why doesn't SOMER refund me my 16B and then claim the 16B from CCP?

Because right now the result is that SOMER is sitting on my 16B while pointing at CCP. SOMER has my 16B, I have nothing, and both SOMER and CCP point at eachother. Why doesn't SOMER give me my 16B back and then SOMER and CCP can fight amongst themselves who should ultimately pay for that refund?


Well, probably because it's not your ISK anymore. It's SOMER's. So you should probably stop referring to as "your ISK"

The entire concept of SOMER is a scam. They charge more in tickets than the prizes cost. It's a for-profit enterprise. The more ISK you give them, the more you will lose.

The only thing your story does for me is the cement how ridiculous it is for CCP to trust SOMER with distributing prizes. They scam people.

CCP should not be officially affiliated with scammers.

good honest contributors to the community, you mean

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Dark Magni
The Church of Awesome
#1611 - 2013-12-05 08:33:57 UTC
CCP is still snubbing this whole dialogue.
RAW23
#1612 - 2013-12-05 08:38:18 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
the same 5 - 6 players keep bumping the thread... go away please, most people do not share your fake outrage.


Lots of us do but we're letting these guys carry the burden coz we're lazy Big smile

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#1613 - 2013-12-05 09:03:51 UTC

I just got a customer service survey for the ticket I logged complaining about moderation on this thread.

Irony in email form... ^^

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#1614 - 2013-12-05 09:22:57 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
the same 5 - 6 players keep bumping the thread... go away please, most people do not share your fake outrage.


Lots of us do but we're letting these guys carry the burden coz we're lazy Big smile


Confirming I'm lazy too.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#1615 - 2013-12-05 09:48:53 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Those who were following my 16B bait-and-switch scam saga, where SOMER BLINK did not grant my request for a refund after prizes in their contest were withdrawn, with SOMER blaming CCP for changing the prizes:
a lead GM has confirmed (and I am paraphrasing here, as quoting him would be against the rules) that this contest was run by SOMER BLINK, with no oversight from CCP. The lead GM also said that no one from CCP had said that SOMER BLINK wouldn't scam, only that they haven't scammed in the past.


So is the GM confirming that somer are scammers?

Scammers who used official CCP sanctioned items/events to scam?

And using what Navigator had said to facilitate said scam?

Isn't that against the new scamming rules?

And can we get an official update from Navigator correcting his initial statements about how totally legit and cool somer are and just give them isk plz
Kate stark
#1616 - 2013-12-05 19:24:45 UTC
The Legendary Soldier wrote:

I just got a customer service survey for the ticket I logged complaining about moderation on this thread.

Irony in email form... ^^


this is not the survey you are looking for.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#1617 - 2013-12-05 19:43:49 UTC
Dark Magni wrote:
Dear CCP,

What is the new policy with respect to CCP giveaways?

In addition what is CCP's position with respect to the claims that Somer has received unfair favouritism?

I put these questions simply, and I think politely. I do not see why a reply would not be appropriate.

Dark


This is a good post right here and pretty much the crux of this thread. The silence is deafening.

What is the status of the emergency responder one of a kind half a trillion isk limited edition cruiser given to Somer? And why are you still doing this when you said you were gonna pause lol Roll
Nanatoa
#1618 - 2013-12-05 20:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nanatoa
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
So is the GM confirming that somer are scammers?


The lead GM phrased his response very carefully. Did he say SOMER scammed? No. He did say that they wouldn't be doing anything, that they didn't say that SOMER wouldn't scam and that if SOMER had scammed (without actually going into if they did or not), they wouldn't be doing anything anyway.

It's just another event in EVE, even though this event was sponsered by CCP and endorsed by a CCP employee. The lead GM's stance is "buyer beware, even when we say it's all fine".

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Opia Munba
mss industry
#1619 - 2013-12-06 14:03:27 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
the same 5 - 6 players keep bumping the thread... go away please, most people do not share your fake outrage.


Lots of us do but we're letting these guys carry the burden coz we're lazy Big smile


Confirming I'm lazy too.

same here
Dark Magni
The Church of Awesome
#1620 - 2013-12-06 14:45:37 UTC
CCP is ignorant