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Announcement regarding rewards and prizes to fansites and third-party contributors

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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#1521 - 2013-11-24 01:58:13 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
I find it worrisome that besides CCP also the CSM doesn't post a single response anymore.


what can they say?
ccp clearly don't give a toss and aren't interested so it's not like the CSM have any news for us even if they did care.


They promised us at least a survey. Besides that, isn't the CSM an "independent" group whom can share its opinion about this farce?
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#1522 - 2013-11-24 02:00:27 UTC
Kate stark wrote:


i think this thread adequately sums up why there's really no incentive to give CCP feedback; they just ignore it and it's a waste of both their and our time.


Yeah, I am afraid you're right.
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1523 - 2013-11-24 07:27:40 UTC
Bump.

Deka Ekato wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
I'm taking a dinner break. Going home for pizza and then I'll check in again! Thanks for the
responses so far.


Post 107, on 10/10/2013.

Seems CCP are still out, too busy eating their pizza. Sad
Kate stark
#1524 - 2013-11-24 08:17:53 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Kate stark wrote:


i think this thread adequately sums up why there's really no incentive to give CCP feedback; they just ignore it and it's a waste of both their and our time.


Yeah, I am afraid you're right.


i wish i wasn't :(

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The Legendary Soldier
United.
#1525 - 2013-11-24 08:48:36 UTC
Ignoring this thread is not consequence free.

I have drawn conclusions about Hilmar from this action.

I suspect I am not the only one.

Some people have closed accounts over it - but that is not the only possible protest.

I wonder how many people are now refusing to buy PLEX?

Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#1526 - 2013-11-24 21:24:45 UTC
and back to the front page

Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#1527 - 2013-11-25 01:46:00 UTC
Didn't the CSM update us recently on this?
Kate stark
#1528 - 2013-11-25 06:28:45 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Didn't the CSM update us recently on this?


source or it didn't happen.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#1529 - 2013-11-25 10:10:02 UTC
The Legendary Soldier wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
I find it worrisome that besides CCP also the CSM doesn't post a single response anymore.


what can they say?
ccp clearly don't give a toss and aren't interested so it's not like the CSM have any news for us even if they did care.


The CSM should be demanding answers.

By not doing so, they have shown themselves to be impotent and pointless.


Well there's two very good reasons the CSM aren't up in arms over this.

1) CCP won't respond to them anyway. After going out of their way to hide all this from the CSM, do you think they'd give them any meaningful feedback to this? At best they'd get bland "we'll look into it" garbage

2) They don't want to be too hostile towards, or cause too much trouble for, the people who are giving them a small feeling of being "inside the circle". They like their relationship with CCP, they won't want to be seen as troublemakers, or as pesky, persistent and loud critics. CCP decide which of the CSM get cool trips to Iceland, after all.

2 is incredibly cynical but it definitely plays into it to some degree, it's simply human nature.
Mra Rednu
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#1530 - 2013-11-25 12:32:27 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
The Legendary Soldier wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
I find it worrisome that besides CCP also the CSM doesn't post a single response anymore.


what can they say?
ccp clearly don't give a toss and aren't interested so it's not like the CSM have any news for us even if they did care.


The CSM should be demanding answers.

By not doing so, they have shown themselves to be impotent and pointless.


Well there's two very good reasons the CSM aren't up in arms over this.

1) CCP won't respond to them anyway. After going out of their way to hide all this from the CSM, do you think they'd give them any meaningful feedback to this? At best they'd get bland "we'll look into it" garbage

2) They don't want to be too hostile towards, or cause too much trouble for, the people who are giving them a small feeling of being "inside the circle". They like their relationship with CCP, they won't want to be seen as troublemakers, or as pesky, persistent and loud critics. CCP decide which of the CSM get cool trips to Iceland, after all.

2 is incredibly cynical but it definitely plays into it to some degree, it's simply human nature.


Or maybe they have been bought off as well ?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#1531 - 2013-11-25 14:10:46 UTC
Mra Rednu wrote:
Or maybe they have been bought off as well ?

Pizza! Pizza for everyone!

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#1532 - 2013-11-25 14:17:02 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:
Or maybe they have been bought off as well ?

Pizza! Pizza for everyone!

Didn't PIZZA disband a couple of weeks ago?
IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1533 - 2013-11-25 14:55:46 UTC
This has got to be the longest Pizza party in the world.
Daquaris
Aegis Victorium
The Initiative.
#1534 - 2013-11-25 14:59:57 UTC
Good luck getting a reply!
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#1535 - 2013-11-25 15:02:12 UTC
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1536 - 2013-11-25 15:15:19 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:

(message truncated)
That’s it for now, let us know your thoughts.


Shame on everyone who made a federal case out of this issue.

I'd said all along that the only thing CCP did wrong was not paying attention to how such a thing would be recieved by the playerbase. I've also said all along that this wasn't really nearly as big a deal as it was made out to be by the vocal minority.

I think clarifying it should bring closure to the entire matter. Hopefully, this should be the end of the entire issue.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#1537 - 2013-11-25 15:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: The Legendary Soldier
I received a warning today, for one of my posts in this thread.

Given that this thread is largely about CCP not enforcing its own rules, and not finding time to talk to customers,
that was rather rubbing salt in the wound.

Final straw.

Three (dual training) accounts closed.

Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread
Mra Rednu
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#1538 - 2013-11-25 17:16:25 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:

(message truncated)
That’s it for now, let us know your thoughts.


Shame on everyone who made a federal case out of this issue.

I'd said all along that the only thing CCP did wrong was not paying attention to how such a thing would be recieved by the playerbase. I've also said all along that this wasn't really nearly as big a deal as it was made out to be by the vocal minority.

I think clarifying it should bring closure to the entire matter. Hopefully, this should be the end of the entire issue.


Then you do not understand the issue.
Tor Saani
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#1539 - 2013-11-25 17:46:36 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
I'd like a little more information on the SOMER lottery issue specifically as that was the really immense giveaway here and it's not really well addressed. Specifically, why an in-game business was given such immense prizes as "a fansite" that wound up making them almost certainly literally trillions of isk. It's not really addressed at all in your post: no indication of why SOMER, no indication of what process went on here and why the CSM was never consulted, no indication of what other "fansites" have gotten these sort of things.

It's not just that SOMER got the lottery gifts. It's that they were absolutely stupendously massive. There's also the seperate problem of Navigator officially declaring them Not A Scam.

The IWS issue would not have been nearly as big an issue without that: it's that both happened, and that the lottery gift to SOMER was already absurdly out of line. The IWS issue exacerbated the lottery issue, it wasn't the main problem.


I can probably shed a bit of light on that although Navigator touched on that in his announcement following what was going to be the Gold Magnate event.

Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do.

In the statement we go into who else have gotten the ISWs and also what sort of giveways we usually extend to fansites.

As we said, we agree with you that we went too fast and that's why we need to re-think this whole thing. We need to keep the CSM more involved, their input is invaluable.


CCP! You guys are doing great! Keep up the fantastic work making the game we all love. Ignore all the goons and CFC pets, they are only happy when they are complaining about something. Somer was a great community site. You guys made the right decision to reward Somer.
Kate stark
#1540 - 2013-11-25 18:16:17 UTC
Tor Saani wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
I'd like a little more information on the SOMER lottery issue specifically as that was the really immense giveaway here and it's not really well addressed. Specifically, why an in-game business was given such immense prizes as "a fansite" that wound up making them almost certainly literally trillions of isk. It's not really addressed at all in your post: no indication of why SOMER, no indication of what process went on here and why the CSM was never consulted, no indication of what other "fansites" have gotten these sort of things.

It's not just that SOMER got the lottery gifts. It's that they were absolutely stupendously massive. There's also the seperate problem of Navigator officially declaring them Not A Scam.

The IWS issue would not have been nearly as big an issue without that: it's that both happened, and that the lottery gift to SOMER was already absurdly out of line. The IWS issue exacerbated the lottery issue, it wasn't the main problem.


I can probably shed a bit of light on that although Navigator touched on that in his announcement following what was going to be the Gold Magnate event.

Why SOMER? Well, they are really popular and they have supported a ton of events so we wanted to explore what we could do with them. Their influence in the community is significant for the same reason that they are space rich - because they're good at what they do.

In the statement we go into who else have gotten the ISWs and also what sort of giveways we usually extend to fansites.

As we said, we agree with you that we went too fast and that's why we need to re-think this whole thing. We need to keep the CSM more involved, their input is invaluable.


CCP! You guys are doing great! Keep up the fantastic work making the game we all love. Ignore all the goons and CFC pets, they are only happy when they are complaining about something. Somer was a great community site. You guys made the right decision to reward Somer.


nobody is questioning that rewarding community sites is cool.
we're just pointing out they did it in the most ass backwards and ******** way possible, and when imitated the rules were changed; so are you sure they were such a good community site?

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