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Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1421 - 2013-11-15 21:45:42 UTC
Dark Magni wrote:
In all honesty, we have served our purpose. The Somerblink RMT has stopped and CCP will probably be more cautious when spawning free billion isk ships in the future.

The only thing left to complain about is being totally ignored in this thread.


Are the accounts of members of SOMER Blink still active? If so, the EULA is still in violation for CCP's pet corporation, and there is still something to complain about.

Until CCP shows that they are willing to give SOMER Blink the same treatment that they regularly apply to other RMTers and game accounts used for business purposes, there is dev favoritism in the sandbox.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Dark Magni
The Church of Awesome
#1422 - 2013-11-16 15:00:08 UTC
CCP can't ban any Somer accounts, because it gave Somer permission to do what it did, or so I have been lead to believe.


It does seem a bit wierd to me that they gave Somer a good will bonus period to RMT in (it wasn't ended with instant effect) and that CCP are reading this thread but not saying anything.


I think the reason is because at the start of the thread, we shot down all their rationalisations and justifications pretty expediently, so now they have deemed us 'unreasonable to talk to'.


Someone at CCP has ordered a total blackout on this topic, and it is clearly justified by claiming we are all unreasonable and posting troll material.
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#1423 - 2013-11-16 16:23:39 UTC

Once again, I have to ask where is, and what is the point of, the CSM?

May as well disband it!

If any of the current CSM ask for my vote in any future campaign they can whistle for it...

Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread
Kate stark
#1424 - 2013-11-16 16:49:30 UTC
The Legendary Soldier wrote:

Once again, I have to ask where is, and what is the point of, the CSM?

May as well disband it!

If any of the current CSM ask for my vote in any future campaign they can whistle for it...

part of me wouldn't be surprised to find out that CCP aren't saying anything to them either.

it seems like if they fly enough rifters around the office, and make enough gifs, people might forget this sticky exists.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#1425 - 2013-11-16 17:44:11 UTC
Kate stark wrote:

part of me wouldn't be surprised to find out that CCP aren't saying anything to them either.

it seems like if they fly enough rifters around the office, and make enough gifs, people might forget this sticky exists.


If the first part of that is true, then the CSM need to grow some BALLS!

Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#1426 - 2013-11-17 10:10:29 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:


For everyone else in this thread, I had submitted a petition reporting Autumnries Mahm (as CEO) and every member of the SOMER Blink corp as being in violation of the EULA for using their accounts for business purposes, and cited the article reporting their $135K+ earnings as evidence. While I cannot disclose the results of this petition or what communication I may or may not have received, I will say that the experience was interesting. I can only suggest that others do the same, in order to 1) put more pressure on CCP to take real action, and 2) discover whatever response you may receive for yourself.


Tried this.
On the 13th.
Still waiting...

Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1427 - 2013-11-18 17:36:13 UTC
Dark Magni wrote:
CCP can't ban any Somer accounts, because it gave Somer permission to do what it did, or so I have been lead to believe.


If that's the case, then CCP cannot ban anyone else for similar activity, or otherwise discourage or prohibit such activity. If the rulse are to be applied, they must be done so equally for all players. If the rules are not to be enforced, then it also must be done equally for all customers.

So CCP has a tough decision to make: do they ban all of SOMER Blink regardless of what they may have told them before, and begin to actually enforce these rules, or do they allow everyone else to engage in the same activities (using game acounts for business purposes, ISK and item bonuses for cash purchases, etc.) and reverse any previous bans over these issues?

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Slappy Andven
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#1428 - 2013-11-18 17:40:08 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Dark Magni wrote:
CCP can't ban any Somer accounts, because it gave Somer permission to do what it did, or so I have been lead to believe.


If that's the case, then CCP cannot ban anyone else for similar activity, or otherwise discourage or prohibit such activity. If the rulse are to be applied, they must be done so equally for all players. If the rules are not to be enforced, then it also must be done equally for all customers.

So CCP has a tough decision to make: do they ban all of SOMER Blink regardless of what they may have told them before, and begin to actually enforce these rules, or do they allow everyone else to engage in the same activities (using game acounts for business purposes, ISK and item bonuses for cash purchases, etc.) and reverse any previous bans over these issues?


Since Somer Blink is no longer doing the RMT portion of this at CCP's clarification, wouldn't they have to break the rules post notification by CCP to be banned?

I know, I know - common sense is a bit much to ask from rabid fan-boys who just want to tear down people who are more successful than they are, but still. Somer has been in compliance the entire time. CCP endorsed them until they didn't anymore, at which point they changed the way they they do business to comply with CCP's new rules.

Once again, the butthurt is strong in all of you.

-- 

Slappy Andven

CEO Natural Born Killas
Kate stark
#1429 - 2013-11-18 18:25:14 UTC
still nothing.

rubicon is early due to christmas holidays so i doubt we'll get a reply to this before 2014, if we ever get one.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Xeen Du'Wang
Perkone
Caldari State
#1430 - 2013-11-18 18:39:02 UTC
Slappy Andven wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Dark Magni wrote:
CCP can't ban any Somer accounts, because it gave Somer permission to do what it did, or so I have been lead to believe.


If that's the case, then CCP cannot ban anyone else for similar activity, or otherwise discourage or prohibit such activity. If the rulse are to be applied, they must be done so equally for all players. If the rules are not to be enforced, then it also must be done equally for all customers.

So CCP has a tough decision to make: do they ban all of SOMER Blink regardless of what they may have told them before, and begin to actually enforce these rules, or do they allow everyone else to engage in the same activities (using game acounts for business purposes, ISK and item bonuses for cash purchases, etc.) and reverse any previous bans over these issues?


Since Somer Blink is no longer doing the RMT portion of this at CCP's clarification, wouldn't they have to break the rules post notification by CCP to be banned?

I know, I know - common sense is a bit much to ask from rabid fan-boys who just want to tear down people who are more successful than they are, but still. Somer has been in compliance the entire time. CCP endorsed them until they didn't anymore, at which point they changed the way they they do business to comply with CCP's new rules.

Once again, the butthurt is strong in all of you.



Speaking of Rabid Fan Boys
Slappy Andven
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#1431 - 2013-11-18 18:44:04 UTC
Xeen Du'Wang wrote:
Slappy Andven wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Dark Magni wrote:
CCP can't ban any Somer accounts, because it gave Somer permission to do what it did, or so I have been lead to believe.


If that's the case, then CCP cannot ban anyone else for similar activity, or otherwise discourage or prohibit such activity. If the rulse are to be applied, they must be done so equally for all players. If the rules are not to be enforced, then it also must be done equally for all customers.

So CCP has a tough decision to make: do they ban all of SOMER Blink regardless of what they may have told them before, and begin to actually enforce these rules, or do they allow everyone else to engage in the same activities (using game acounts for business purposes, ISK and item bonuses for cash purchases, etc.) and reverse any previous bans over these issues?


Since Somer Blink is no longer doing the RMT portion of this at CCP's clarification, wouldn't they have to break the rules post notification by CCP to be banned?

I know, I know - common sense is a bit much to ask from rabid fan-boys who just want to tear down people who are more successful than they are, but still. Somer has been in compliance the entire time. CCP endorsed them until they didn't anymore, at which point they changed the way they they do business to comply with CCP's new rules.

Once again, the butthurt is strong in all of you.



Speaking of Rabid Fan Boys


So, I laid out my position. Do you have anything substantive to rebut it with? Or, just more butthurt like the above?

-- 

Slappy Andven

CEO Natural Born Killas
Frying Doom
#1432 - 2013-11-18 20:34:30 UTC
Slappy Andven wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Dark Magni wrote:
CCP can't ban any Somer accounts, because it gave Somer permission to do what it did, or so I have been lead to believe.


If that's the case, then CCP cannot ban anyone else for similar activity, or otherwise discourage or prohibit such activity. If the rulse are to be applied, they must be done so equally for all players. If the rules are not to be enforced, then it also must be done equally for all customers.

So CCP has a tough decision to make: do they ban all of SOMER Blink regardless of what they may have told them before, and begin to actually enforce these rules, or do they allow everyone else to engage in the same activities (using game acounts for business purposes, ISK and item bonuses for cash purchases, etc.) and reverse any previous bans over these issues?


Since Somer Blink is no longer doing the RMT portion of this at CCP's clarification, wouldn't they have to break the rules post notification by CCP to be banned?

I know, I know - common sense is a bit much to ask from rabid fan-boys who just want to tear down people who are more successful than they are, but still. Somer has been in compliance the entire time. CCP endorsed them until they didn't anymore, at which point they changed the way they they do business to comply with CCP's new rules.

Once again, the butthurt is strong in all of you.

Except Somer is still a business operating accounts on EvE Online, so they are still in breach of the EULA.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1433 - 2013-11-18 21:17:57 UTC
Why not just admit that Somer made CCP a LOT of RL money thru it's RMT "giveaways", and as such you wanted to give them something in return (not like the thousands of RL USD weren't enough).Roll

Somer has been violating the EULA on RMT for years, and it wasn't until the community became outraged that you decided to stop it.

They made you money, so you cheated in their favor. (because no other rare ship had value on TQ right?)

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#1434 - 2013-11-19 13:08:10 UTC
Remove sticky, don't reply, hope the thread disappears in the mass of the new Rubicon threads?
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1435 - 2013-11-19 13:43:10 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
When you reward somebody by giving them PLEX nobody else suffers any serious devaluation. When you give somebody an IWS all other IWS owners and collectors get completely screwed over because the price collapses.

Just give people PLEX in future, as much as you like, but no rare items ever.


That argument I would agree with in regards to certain rare items, but not the ISW as it was created for the express purpose of being a reward for all kinds of contributions and contests, making it inevitable that the price of the early ones will plummet. The problem more people would have with it is much rather that those who get it early gain more by selling it than those who get it late, which is a byproduct of slowly seeding rare items in this manner.


HI guard

easiest way to sort this out. Yes give out in game ships the IWS if you choose it to be that ship that's fine. but as new rewards to people Like somer and what ever Bind it to there A. Char or B account. that way they get a shiny ship. are happy the people that own IWS from before this happend can still make money from selling thirs if they choose.

and also an out of game reward be it a USB rifter, a copy of the board game o even a signed Picture of game artwork from the art team would be a better show of gratitude then someone hitting a few keys and makeing a few pixcels for someone in game

regards Lazy
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#1436 - 2013-11-19 14:41:19 UTC

No longer sticky.

But it will not die unless we let it.

Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#1437 - 2013-11-19 15:26:09 UTC
I would say that CCP having a skype discussion with SOMER and letting them up their eula breaking ISK bonus to 1 billion for a week is response enough to this thread.

Not today spaghetti.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#1438 - 2013-11-19 15:53:13 UTC
TinkerHell wrote:
Remove sticky, don't reply, hope the thread disappears in the mass of the new Rubicon threads?


Rubican't make me forget about this disgusting state of affairs
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#1439 - 2013-11-19 16:47:08 UTC
I was wondering the yesterday if CCP was ever going to follow up on their promise. Guess the PostIt fell off the whiteboard
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1440 - 2013-11-19 16:54:58 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
TinkerHell wrote:
Remove sticky, don't reply, hope the thread disappears in the mass of the new Rubicon threads?


Rubican't make me forget about this disgusting state of affairs


Just so CCP is aware, I am a writer for Massively, the gaming and MMO online publication. I believe I mentioned that previously, but I could be wrong (it could be on the old forums, or on one of my alts, I Don't freaking remember).

This is the reason you have had problems in the past, CCP, when it comes to dealing with publicity. You create the thread that catches the eye--CCP Pan's threadnaught about "Monoclegate" during Incarna, this thread, etc.--and then when you realize there is a lot of anger from even a small percentage of players who play the game, you assume that that it okay and that people are a vocal minority.

Something you learn in business is that even a small percentage of customers are still customers. You can't make everyone happy, but if you ignore people who are unhappy, it will eventually blossom and sprout branches. Eventually, more people hop on to be upset over something. While many people I have talked to in-game think this entire debacle is blow out of proportion, they do agree that the underlying issue(s) are valid. Put simply, you cannot ignore this and make it go away.

You may have told the GTC resellers what you want done, but you created this thread, and you haven't updated it in over a month. You haven't publically informed us of what was said. So here's what I am going to do: I am going to get in touch with Markee Dragon and others, and ask them for the e-mail correspondence. Then, I am going to write up an article(actually, I'll be honest: I'm writing up the article as we speak), ripping open the old wounds of t20, the release of Incarna and the NeX ("Monoclegate"), and the recent debacle with The Mittani. I am going to simply point to your willingness to take a dump on your customerbase by giving nothing but half-truthes, or not answering at all. I will include the correspondence I get.

And while I would love to include your response in the article itself, I feel ignored in this thread, so I will take that as your official response. I do want both sides of the coin for integrity purposes, but in order to do that, you'd have to be on the record. And considering how nervous you are about being on the record on your own forums, I Don't htink you'll be willing to be on it off of them.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.