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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#681 - 2013-11-16 20:47:10 UTC
To Be Me wrote:
op was afk mining in a noob tank little barge
op was ganked and lost his noob barge
???
better go to the forums and complain about the game mechanics

No, no its not his fault, he only got ganked because of game mechanics, not his fault guys.. dont tear his heart apart saying it was his fault cause clearly its the game mechanics that are bad and wrong.

Last time I mined was in 2003. Bye.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#682 - 2013-11-16 20:57:52 UTC
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.

What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.

Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.

The argument is completely spastic.


20k and 30k makes a huge difference... and if he decides the damage is too much at 20k and goes to 30 you simply just can warp off..

And again.. with a proper fitting and not a fitting that only surves the purpose to kill PvE ships (just like suiciding ships) you have a) by far more range b) by far more dps c) drones on your proteus. If you really have such a hard time killing a stabber in your blaster proteus it just proves how terrible your fitting is, for anyhitng other than sneaking up on ratters.

You really are not getting it are you? The fit he had was 28k ehp buffer. Now I just recreated his fit and my fit and used the dps chart in EFT and its telling me while he's orbiting my Proteus does 50 dps. Lets say EFT is entirely wrong and it's actually doing 50% of its damage, that's 165 dps. With a 28k buffer it will take me 3 minutes to kill him. That's about 2:25 seconds too long.

As for proper PvP fits, the fit I used got me 22 kills, including a Dominix, a Nightmare and a bunch of Oracles. As far as I'm concerned, I put 2.5 billion on the line, in null sec and gave the people I was hunting the opportunity to attack me.

You on the other hand, sit in high sec, with a cheap destroyer, and gank unsuspecting victims who cannot attack you until they're in a pod.

In short, you suck. I don't

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#683 - 2013-11-16 20:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Alp
well.. i guess i was to fast there....
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#684 - 2013-11-16 21:03:42 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


As for proper PvP fits, the fit I used got me 22 kills, including a Dominix, a Nightmare and a bunch of Oracles. As far as I'm concerned, I put 2.5 billion on the line, in null sec and gave the people I was hunting the opportunity to attack me.

You on the other hand, sit in high sec, with a cheap destroyer, and gank unsuspecting victims who cannot attack you until they're in a pod.

In short, you suck. I don't



Oracles, some of them with not even a single tanking module and less than 10k EHP, kinda like a max yield retriever if you ask me, sure takes a lot of skill to kill that in your proteus, yet suicide gankers have no skill, but you are such a pro...

again.. the nighmare was PVE fitted with tachyons.. also no challenge for a proteus at all.. you still failed to show me where that dominix kill is supposed to be cause i can find all those other kills just not that one... very strange....

And once again.... just because your proteus can kill 10k EHP oracles it does not make it a good pvp fit... all you do is gank ratters like suicide gankers gank miners, yet you complain about suicide gankers having no skill, while you are unable to do better yourself.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#685 - 2013-11-16 21:04:35 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:



20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.

What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.

Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.

The argument is completely spastic.



And to think you were celebrating the end of freighter ganking when crimewatch was brought about as nobody could possibly be willing to put their freighter at risk under the new system.

I took time off, wasn't around when crimewatch was brought about...


Still stands, we are putting just as much isk on the line.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#686 - 2013-11-16 21:10:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


As for proper PvP fits, the fit I used got me 22 kills, including a Dominix, a Nightmare and a bunch of Oracles. As far as I'm concerned, I put 2.5 billion on the line, in null sec and gave the people I was hunting the opportunity to attack me.

You on the other hand, sit in high sec, with a cheap destroyer, and gank unsuspecting victims who cannot attack you until they're in a pod.

In short, you suck. I don't



Oracles, some of them with not even a single tanking module and less than 10k EHP, kinda like a max yield retriever if you ask me, sure takes a lot of skill to kill that in your proteus, yet suicide gankers have no skill, but you are such a pro...

again.. the nighmare was PVE fitted with tachyons.. also no challenge for a proteus at all.. you still failed to show me where that dominix kill is supposed to be cause i can find all those other kills just not that one... very strange....

And once again.... just because your proteus can kill 10k EHP oracles it does not make it a good pvp fit... all you do is gank ratters like suicide gankers gank miners, yet you complain about suicide gankers having no skill, while you are unable to do better yourself.

What makes it a good fit is it did exactly what I intended it to do. It allowed me to go into an alliances hub system and kill ships without getting ganked.

See once again, the difference between you and I is I risked multi billions of isk, I risked skill points, I used my main, I was in null sec where everyone can kill me, where there are bubbles, hotdrops (which is what eventually got me), where there is no concord protection.

You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.

Edit: also I'm not responsible for how people fit their ships before I kill them, I don't uncloak, scan them to make sure they're ****-fit before attacking and the Domi is clearly on my battleclinic killlboard.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#687 - 2013-11-16 21:15:22 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.



We have no concord protection, everyone can kill us, we have ships worth more than a billion, use our mains, are open to any and all traps, work in jita that has 1200+ people that can attack us.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#688 - 2013-11-16 21:22:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.



We have no concord protection, everyone can kill us, we have ships worth more than a billion, use our mains, are open to any and all traps, work in jita that has 1200+ people that can attack us.


You're 4.4 sec status. You're protected by Concord, you use an alt freighter and get it into warp before it becomes flashy red, it then insta-docks at a station. In the rare event someone decides to use a killright on you, you lose a crappy Catalyst worth no more than 10 million.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#689 - 2013-11-16 21:23:05 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


As for proper PvP fits, the fit I used got me 22 kills, including a Dominix, a Nightmare and a bunch of Oracles. As far as I'm concerned, I put 2.5 billion on the line, in null sec and gave the people I was hunting the opportunity to attack me.

You on the other hand, sit in high sec, with a cheap destroyer, and gank unsuspecting victims who cannot attack you until they're in a pod.

In short, you suck. I don't



Oracles, some of them with not even a single tanking module and less than 10k EHP, kinda like a max yield retriever if you ask me, sure takes a lot of skill to kill that in your proteus, yet suicide gankers have no skill, but you are such a pro...

again.. the nighmare was PVE fitted with tachyons.. also no challenge for a proteus at all.. you still failed to show me where that dominix kill is supposed to be cause i can find all those other kills just not that one... very strange....

And once again.... just because your proteus can kill 10k EHP oracles it does not make it a good pvp fit... all you do is gank ratters like suicide gankers gank miners, yet you complain about suicide gankers having no skill, while you are unable to do better yourself.

What makes it a good fit is it did exactly what I intended it to do. It allowed me to go into an alliances hub system and kill ships without getting ganked.

See once again, the difference between you and I is I risked multi billions of isk, I risked skill points, I used my main, I was in null sec where everyone can kill me, where there are bubbles, hotdrops (which is what eventually got me), where there is no concord protection.

You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.



The funny thing is.. I have not suicide ganked anyone in the past 5 years since i only have done it in times when you could still make a few billions with it easily solo, but hey nvm......

Yet my point stands..... you claim suicide gankers have no skill and only go after easy targets while you do the same claiming to risk a ship being worth a billion ISK, on the other side you say ppl in 0.0 dock up as soon as some1 neutral comes into local (I guess you are very scared of people who are sitting inside a station).

The only kills you get are soft targets, same as suicide gankers and with your oh so awesome proteus fitting even have a hard time killing a t1 ship.

Whenever you start posting people can only see hypocrisy and statements which contradict each other and even though many different people keep pointing out the flaws in your logic, you completly fail to see those flaws. Yet you point at those people shouting around "you suck!".

Which simply leads me to one conclusion... you are a completly lost cause and any time spend to press a single button on my keyboard is nothing but wasted lifetime, so I´ll just stop typing and leave you to your wiered alternate reality you are living in.

HF :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#690 - 2013-11-16 21:28:54 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.



We have no concord protection, everyone can kill us, we have ships worth more than a billion, use our mains, are open to any and all traps, work in jita that has 1200+ people that can attack us.


You're 4.4 sec status. You're protected by Concord, you use an alt freighter and get it into warp before it becomes flashy red, it then insta-docks at a station. In the rare event someone decides to use a killright on you, you lose a crappy Catalyst worth no more than 10 million.


So because we play smart and kill people playing dumb we should yet again be punished for doing what is already the single most punished activity in the game?

It still stands, we put a freighter at risk as well as a whole fleet of ships. Its not our fault people are choosing to not take any steps to protect themselves.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#691 - 2013-11-16 21:29:18 UTC
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


As for proper PvP fits, the fit I used got me 22 kills, including a Dominix, a Nightmare and a bunch of Oracles. As far as I'm concerned, I put 2.5 billion on the line, in null sec and gave the people I was hunting the opportunity to attack me.

You on the other hand, sit in high sec, with a cheap destroyer, and gank unsuspecting victims who cannot attack you until they're in a pod.

In short, you suck. I don't



Oracles, some of them with not even a single tanking module and less than 10k EHP, kinda like a max yield retriever if you ask me, sure takes a lot of skill to kill that in your proteus, yet suicide gankers have no skill, but you are such a pro...

again.. the nighmare was PVE fitted with tachyons.. also no challenge for a proteus at all.. you still failed to show me where that dominix kill is supposed to be cause i can find all those other kills just not that one... very strange....

And once again.... just because your proteus can kill 10k EHP oracles it does not make it a good pvp fit... all you do is gank ratters like suicide gankers gank miners, yet you complain about suicide gankers having no skill, while you are unable to do better yourself.

What makes it a good fit is it did exactly what I intended it to do. It allowed me to go into an alliances hub system and kill ships without getting ganked.

See once again, the difference between you and I is I risked multi billions of isk, I risked skill points, I used my main, I was in null sec where everyone can kill me, where there are bubbles, hotdrops (which is what eventually got me), where there is no concord protection.

You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.



The funny thing is.. I have not suicide ganked anyone in the past 5 years since i only have done it in times when you could still make a few billions with it easily solo, but hey nvm......

Yet my point stands..... you claim suicide gankers have no skill and only go after easy targets while you do the same claiming to risk a ship being worth a billion ISK, on the other side you say ppl in 0.0 dock up as soon as some1 neutral comes into local (I guess you are very scared of people who are sitting inside a station).

The only kills you get are soft targets, same as suicide gankers and with your oh so awesome proteus fitting even have a hard time killing a t1 ship.

Whenever you start posting people can only see hypocrisy and statements which contradict each other and even though many different people keep pointing out the flaws in your logic, you completly fail to see those flaws. Yet you point at those people shouting around "you suck!".

Which simply leads me to one conclusion... you are a completly lost cause and any time spend to press a single button on my keyboard is nothing but wasted lifetime, so I´ll just stop typing and leave you to your wiered alternate reality you are living in.

HF :)

Something you need to realise, is that some T1 ships can and are supposed to be able to kill T2 and T3 ships. Just because they're T2 and T3 doesn't mean they don't have weaknesses to T1's. And a Dominix is not a soft target, I tackled a couple of them while I was out there, only killed one and the others neuted me dry and I barely survived. The thing is you don't know which Domi has neuts, which is PvP pretending to be PvE and that goes for all ships you attack in null.

When ganking, you know what you're ganking. You know you're going to win. There is no risk and no skill.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#692 - 2013-11-16 21:34:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


You on the other hand, hide behind concord, no one can kill you unless you're -5.0, your ship is cheap and disposable, so is your alt, you lose no skill points, there are no bubbles, hotdrops, you're not operating in a system where everyone can and wants to kill you.



We have no concord protection, everyone can kill us, we have ships worth more than a billion, use our mains, are open to any and all traps, work in jita that has 1200+ people that can attack us.


You're 4.4 sec status. You're protected by Concord, you use an alt freighter and get it into warp before it becomes flashy red, it then insta-docks at a station. In the rare event someone decides to use a killright on you, you lose a crappy Catalyst worth no more than 10 million.


So because we play smart and kill people playing dumb we should yet again be punished for doing what is already the single most punished activity in the game?

It still stands, we put a freighter at risk as well as a whole fleet of ships. Its not our fault people are choosing to not take any steps to protect themselves.

I think you misunderstand me. I don't say what you're doing is wrong. All I'm saying is its too easy, should come with some risk and no, looting a can and warping a freighter before its attack-able to a safe and then to a station bookmark is not risk.

Nothing wrong with doing that, I would do the same, obviously it'd be stupid to loot and sit there till you get killed.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#693 - 2013-11-16 21:39:50 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I think you misunderstand me. I don't say what you're doing is wrong. All I'm saying is its too easy, should come with some risk and no, looting a can and warping a freighter before its attack-able to a safe and then to a station bookmark is not risk.

Nothing wrong with doing that, I would do the same, obviously it'd be stupid to loot and sit there till you get killed.



Why shouldn't it be easy? Should new players be barred from this activity? Should player ingenuity and organization be penalized?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#694 - 2013-11-16 21:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I think you misunderstand me. I don't say what you're doing is wrong. All I'm saying is its too easy, should come with some risk and no, looting a can and warping a freighter before its attack-able to a safe and then to a station bookmark is not risk.

Nothing wrong with doing that, I would do the same, obviously it'd be stupid to loot and sit there till you get killed.



So when did a freighter being open to attack to everyone stop being a risk?

Again, if people tried to stop us then we would lose it no matter how well we fly it at some point. Its not our fault nobody even tries.

We are doing exactly the same thing as you are doing only we have greater risks and costs due to the added high sec mechanics.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#695 - 2013-11-16 23:10:25 UTC
*spills popcorn all over*

Brick tanked oracle!
Null is safe, i stroll there when i want! Null is dangerous, only awesome people stroll there when they want!

Yeah! Ziona! Keep arguing about pvp with baltec! It's like watching a horse fight with a wedding cake, in the rain!
Oh man. At this point anyone bothering to challenge you on your negativity is your friend in eve, but the twisting and sliding is some kinda terrible habit.

Confirming you went to the softest targets in null, in a T3 and a falcon, then lied about how awesome you were, then whined about losing an afk noobship.
The point has been passed where credibility scrolls into negative digits, it is now in some weird alien scribble.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#696 - 2013-11-17 01:27:25 UTC
Thread too long at 35 pages to catch up now. Have we decided how to get rid of the idiots in hisec yet? I just started ganking again on my alt and took out a hulk in a .6. I'm doing my best to get rid of the idiots who AFK untanked mining ships. We probably don't need a CCP solution to this problem. Just more catalysts.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Decian Cor
Stronghelm Corporation
Solyaris Chtonium
#697 - 2013-11-17 03:21:50 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#698 - 2013-11-17 04:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Infinity Ziona wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You have a bad Proteus fit.

You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all.


Jessica Alp wrote:
Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.

If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:

You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position.

I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish.


So you're telling me I'm bad because I have friends :smug:? The only thing bad in this thread is you, your position was destroyed and these last thirty or so pages are of you trying to over heat as many forum modules as you can in hopes you can survive the aggression timer and dock up in your local mental institution.

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Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#699 - 2013-11-17 05:03:00 UTC
Avoid 0.5's that are strung together (i.e. Hek to Ours)

Avoid put tons of expensive sh*t in your cargo of your cheap a*s non tanky ship

TANK your ship

Avoid JITA if at all possible....You can sell your goods other places.

USE the MAP dammit! It tells you everything

And last but not least, use a SCOUT if you are scared of a gank!


Last time I was ganked was hauling t2 bpc's around, before you could tell if it was BPO or a BPC. Oh, and you had warp to 15, no warp to zero yet

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#700 - 2013-11-17 17:02:23 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You have a bad Proteus fit.

You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all.


Jessica Alp wrote:
Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.

If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:

You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position.

I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish.


So you're telling me I'm bad because I have friends :smug:? The only thing bad in this thread is you, your position was destroyed and these last thirty or so pages are of you trying to over heat as many forum modules as you can in hopes you can survive the aggression timer and dock up in your local mental institution.

No Im telling you you don't have the experience in whats required in a ship to solo in null. Therefore your comment is irrelevant. You don't use a slow 150k EHP Proteus to solo. Why? Because if your still shooting after 100k is gone you fecked up and your selecting a celestial to spam warp.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)