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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#661 - 2013-11-16 18:30:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Alp
Riot Girl wrote:
Don't you use TEs?


Zionas shield Proteus fit has 2 TEs ;)

And with that even with you silly lame as covert rig you get to 7.5km optimal and 12km falloff (without implants) which is enough to hit a stabber at any range it could tackle you and tracking is not an issue with medium neutrons as well on that range.... if the stabber gets closer you easily can apply your faction scram on it, so again tracking will not be an issue....

Please Ziona... more twisted "facts"....
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#662 - 2013-11-16 18:52:35 UTC
Jessica Alp wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Don't you use TEs?


Zionas shield Proteus fit has 2 TEs ;)

And with that even with you silly lame as covert rig you get to 7.5km optimal and 12km falloff (without implants) which is enough to hit a stabber at any range it could tackle you and tracking is not an issue with medium neutrons as well on that range.... if the stabber gets closer you easily can apply your faction scram on it, so again tracking will not be an issue....

Please Ziona... more twisted "facts"....

You realise that he can point me to around 30k OH. He can overheat his point for over 2 minutes. Even if he's stupid and doesn't OH when I hit him for a measly 20 to 50 dps, all to half of which is going to be negated by his shield recharge, it would take me about 5 minutes to 10 minutes to kill him lol.

Lets be realistic, any Proteus trying to kill a Stabber out to 30k with med guns in an alliance hub system is a dead Proteus.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#663 - 2013-11-16 19:09:50 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jessica Alp wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Don't you use TEs?


Zionas shield Proteus fit has 2 TEs ;)

And with that even with you silly lame as covert rig you get to 7.5km optimal and 12km falloff (without implants) which is enough to hit a stabber at any range it could tackle you and tracking is not an issue with medium neutrons as well on that range.... if the stabber gets closer you easily can apply your faction scram on it, so again tracking will not be an issue....

Please Ziona... more twisted "facts"....

You realise that he can point me to around 30k OH. He can overheat his point for over 2 minutes. Even if he's stupid and doesn't OH when I hit him for a measly 20 to 50 dps, all to half of which is going to be negated by his shield recharge, it would take me about 5 minutes to 10 minutes to kill him lol.

Lets be realistic, any Proteus trying to kill a Stabber out to 30k with med guns in an alliance hub system is a dead Proteus.


Interesting how we get from not being able to hit unless he is sitting still at 12 km to being able to hit him at 28.8km.
Chances that he will orbit you at the perfect max range of an overheated t2 disruptor are quite slim.. actually if he would do that he would be pretty silly since you could easily slip out of his point range then.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#664 - 2013-11-16 19:10:30 UTC
You have a bad Proteus fit.

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#665 - 2013-11-16 19:12:16 UTC
I agree, we should do something about the idiots in Highsec. Mostly the ones who mine all day and come to the forums to cry when someone fills their hull with Void S.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#666 - 2013-11-16 19:25:36 UTC
Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.

If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:

You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#667 - 2013-11-16 19:48:42 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
You have a bad Proteus fit.

You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all.


Jessica Alp wrote:
Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.

If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:

You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position.

I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#668 - 2013-11-16 19:55:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Alp
Infinity Ziona wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You have a bad Proteus fit.

You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all.


Jessica Alp wrote:
Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.

If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:

You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position.

I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish.


Since we all know your twisted logic i guess wrong really means right. And you thinking i am the one who looks foolish is yet another example of your inability to think like a sane person.

edit: if there is anything foolish to see from my side here it is that i actually even bother discussing with you, since over and over again you prove that it is more reasonable to talk to a wall.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#669 - 2013-11-16 20:04:44 UTC
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You have a bad Proteus fit.

You have ZERO solo kills. Your opinion is not relevant at all.


Jessica Alp wrote:
Also saying that any proteus engaging a stabber orbitting at that range will, die because he can not kill him fast enough and will die to incoming help is quite simply not true.

If you struggle to kill a stabber in the proteus with your fitting it is because you fit your proteus to gank ratters and not to fight properly, which brings me back to:

You are in no way better than the suicide gankers in high sec you like to talk about from your high horse position.

I have tried to be polite with you but you're one of those people that refuse to be wrong. In this instance, something which you most definitely are. You're making yourself look foolish.


Since we all know your twisted logic i guess wrong really means right. And you thinking i am the one who looks foolish is yet another example of your inability to think like a sane person.

edit: if there is anything foolish to see from my side here it is that i actually even bother discussing with you, since over and over again you prove that it is more reasonable to talk to a wall.

6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.

How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#670 - 2013-11-16 20:12:05 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.

How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs


At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp.
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#671 - 2013-11-16 20:14:10 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
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6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.

How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs


a) 7.5k optimal + 12km falloff
b) stabber point has 28.8km max range and will be a few km closer since you can shake off the point if the would be at exactly that range
c) if you fit your proteus properly your 12km falloff turns into 18km falloff (again without implants) and you have 50 m² drone bay and 1 extra turret.

But you fit your proteus to kill ratters.. not to engage into proper pvp... same thing as ppl ganking ships in high sec you complain about.... just because you do it in 0.0 it does not require more skill.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#672 - 2013-11-16 20:18:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.

How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs


At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp.

Realistically, the Stabber can sit at 20k and suck up the 20 dps till his friends arrive since they're in system.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#673 - 2013-11-16 20:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.

How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs


At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp.

Realistically, the Stabber can sit at 20k and suck up the 20 dps till his friends arrive since they're in system.


You said 30. This is now the second time you have changed this engagement.
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#674 - 2013-11-16 20:22:52 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.

How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs


At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp.

Realistically, the Stabber can sit at 20k and suck up the 20 dps till his friends arrive since they're in system.


at 20km even with your ****** fitting you are looking at 200dps not 20... at 30km he can not point you...
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#675 - 2013-11-16 20:26:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.

How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs


At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp.

Realistically, the Stabber can sit at 20k and suck up the 20 dps till his friends arrive since they're in system.


You said 30. This is now the second time you have changed this engagement.

20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.

What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.

Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.

The argument is completely spastic.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#676 - 2013-11-16 20:27:38 UTC
Jessica Alp wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

6km = optimal. 12km = falloff. 6km + 12km = 18km = 50% damage. 18km +12km = 30km = 0% damage. Stabber can point me to 30km. Stabber wins.

How can you not understand in that scenario that attempting to kill a Stabber with a Proteus in an alliance hub is not going to work very well? :) You think they're not going to come help him? Not that he needs help ffs


At that range all you need to do is a quick burn away from said orbiting stabber and you get out of range and warp.

Realistically, the Stabber can sit at 20k and suck up the 20 dps till his friends arrive since they're in system.


at 20km even with your ****** fitting you are looking at 200dps not 20... at 30km he can not point you...

You have no idea what you're talking about lol.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#677 - 2013-11-16 20:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Alp
Infinity Ziona wrote:

20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.

What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.

Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.

The argument is completely spastic.


20k and 30k makes a huge difference... and if he decides the damage is too much at 20k and goes to 30 you simply just can warp off..

And again.. with a proper fitting and not a fitting that only surves the purpose to kill PvE ships (just like suiciding ships) you have a) by far more range b) by far more dps c) drones on your proteus. If you really have such a hard time killing a stabber in your blaster proteus it just proves how terrible your fitting is, for anyhitng other than sneaking up on ratters.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#678 - 2013-11-16 20:33:18 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:



20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.

What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.

Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.

The argument is completely spastic.



And to think you were celebrating the end of freighter ganking when crimewatch was brought about as nobody could possibly be willing to put their freighter at risk under the new system.
To Be Me
Doomheim
#679 - 2013-11-16 20:36:57 UTC
op was afk mining in a noob tank little barge
op was ganked and lost his noob barge
???
better go to the forums and complain about the game mechanics

No, no its not his fault, he only got ganked because of game mechanics, not his fault guys.. dont tear his heart apart saying it was his fault cause clearly its the game mechanics that are bad and wrong.

thumbs up if you like :))))
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#680 - 2013-11-16 20:43:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:



20k, 30k it doesn't matter. He can tank my dps at 20k till his friends arrive. He can OH to 30k and take no damage till his friends arrive.

What's the difference? Its stupid to engage a Stabber in a blaster Proteus. Only reason I managed to kill him was because I extended grid 1k and dropped a bubble and likely he got a bit confused long enough for me to web and scram him. Otherwise I was dead.

Which takes me back to the main point of this conversation. When you're in a null sec system, solo, with billions in ship, implants and potential skill loss, there is absolutely zero comparison to sitting in a cheap ass Cat in high sec and ganking ships that can't attack you until you fire, or being -10 and warping in and ganking them.

The argument is completely spastic.



And to think you were celebrating the end of freighter ganking when crimewatch was brought about as nobody could possibly be willing to put their freighter at risk under the new system.

I took time off, wasn't around when crimewatch was brought about...

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)