Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That classy title should have got you interested.

EDIT: Now settle down. I have since changed my mind to suggesting that gate camps be viable in many systems, and also argued the case for Boomeranging. I'm still a bit of a carebear, but I'm not afraid of a challenge to doing it.

But yeah seriously, I feel that gatecamps are a little OP, and crush all the small gang solo roam pvp fun that i heard lowsec was supposedly all about. And then people complain that no-one ever leaves highsec? Highsec is the only place you can travel, where there is always a bit of a chance you might get out of a bad situation alive if you're alone. And casual play sessions are surprisingly often solo affairs.

I have seen solo cruisers in lowsec before, but I only ever see them undock from safely inside low.
I never casually stroll down to lowsec in my cruiser with my sleeves rolled up because there is bound to be some a** with OOC eyes, instalocking inties and off grid boosts waiting to further increase the meaninglessness of their killboard's ISK efficiency.
And pirate battleships in the nearest station for escalations, since they are so well entrenched.
Every gate you jump through is an absolute gamble, based on educated guesses from data gleaned from dotlan. If there is no gatecamp, you're fine. If there is one, you're rooted.

So far this thread isn't very Featurey, or Ideas-y, so why am I posting here?

Well if you're reading this, maybe you can come up with some ideas of your own. Other than that, I only suggest perhaps a bit more 'sec' in our lowsec. Specifically in the form of Navy NPCs on station, or on call. Certainly not ridiculous concordokkens, just a little more spice to give camp runners more of a chance. Currently if you're pinned by an inty on a gate, he'll orbit you until you're dead, no worries. If you just wanted a quick punch up before bed, you'll be alone, and it would be nice for navy ships to turn up and maybe force the points off you. Otherwise, your only choice

Oh and if you are a gate camper, I suggest you try going on a roam. I heard someone watches movies while gate camping, which I'm pretty sure relegates gate camping to the same category as mining. Farming a jump gate for kills.

The only gate camps I see in low sec are the ones settled by EVE university

I'm sorry, i was hoping lowsec might be good for casual roams from high.
I remember when I lost my first cruiser. It was in lowsec, and the bloke scanned me down in my mission space. He actually worked for it.



Velicitia you have some good points and some that may have missed my intentions.

1) Learn to scout.
Firing up a second account just to scout doesn't sound like my idea of casual gameplay. And while some people seem pathologically devoted to group activities in this game, the vast numbers of solo mission runners and miners seem to indicate a market for more solo playstyles.
Even 2-3 man gangs shouldn't have to wheel out a bloody +1.

2) Learn to fly.
You mean in eve? I would need to fly in order to get caught by gatecamps anyway, so.... yeah.
IRL i can't fly, sorry.

3) Cloak +MWD, presumably the same point as travel fit.
Doesn't really help if you want small gang pvp. Though I suppose you have a point that you can use it to get past the more infamous hotspots, and hope to find some decently matched pvp later.

4) OGB are going away. Even on grid boosts are easy when you're camping. Just circle at 100 and wake up when the action starts, and you will be ready to warp your mindlinks outta there.

5) This is your strongest point, and one I feel a little ashamed about. Because you're right, I should shoot back more often than I do. I just assume that if you're camping, you're ganking, and packing more heat than I can handle.
It is unfortunate that gatecamps are a reliable way to find fights, since they prevent nice tasty miners and missioners from even trying anything in low. I think I have had a good proper race around a system precisely once.

Gate camping is to boring to do but when you do find one its fun to bait them and then warp the rest of the fleet in although usually most of them have GTFO'd before you land.

No sure why you have a problem with them though as when I see EvE Uni in LowSec its either the 20 to 40 man blob (which gate camps run from) with multiple Blackbird support or the solo heavily core stabbed ratter which usually breezes through a camp.

I agree, that's pretty much the entirety of it. And I would rather have smaller gangs, who still have a chance of getting out safely if they ever do come across a camp.

I am beginning to realise my objection to gate camps is mostly crying foul of just sitting still and getting the home advantage of OOC eyes so you can undock your shinies, as well as presumably pretty good escalation support, and feeling that the lazy bums should jump around and poke their noses into active looking systems like the rest of us :P


Also I don't like the cliff-like drop in support that NPCs offer you.
Just consider this progression of security response that I have masterfully created for you.

1.0 CONCORDOKKEN
0.8 ... CONCORDOKKEN
0.6 ........... CONCORDOKKEN
0.4 Gate guns yaaaaay
0.2 Like a single gate gun.

Seriously, just the slightest chance of a navy ship popping in and laying a jam around would give you a better survival chance. No it diesn't need to be every time, and always on the guy with point.
Or maybe if they slapped some scrams around it would make camps think twice before lying around in jacked up tech 3s with slave sets.

And is very good for small gang and solo roaming. I live in LS and run in some gatecamps like once every 4-5 months.

For tourists willing to come in low for some thrill and then go back ins afe as they wish can be more a problem, cause generally camps are just on access points from high sec.

But what I considere offensive here is the mindset; why anyone should be entiteled to come safely as tourist, chase residents just for fun and go back in safe not sharing anything of low-sec gameplay? Want roaming low-sec? Just join it. Is not like people living in low are puppet existing just for someone occasional amusement.
I don't ask to remove Concord and system security level only cause I want to roam and kill some resident there on saturday night.

Yeah I am beginning to see that killing gatecamps would be more trouble than they are worth. It might actually be just because the few times I have lived in lowsec I generally spent a lot of time checking the entry for noobs wanting to join from the main uni campuses, and the local scum buckets always ran around with boosted Tengus from 70km, or a Bhaalgorn that aligned out as soon as your fleet appeared like two systems out, it seemed like.

Welp, either your objections or my own reflection have convinced me that this was not my greatest contribution to the forums ever, so apologies if this has in any way offended you ;)

OP, since you were looking for a way to fix this and didn't have a solution, one solution is to have all hisec-lowsec gates function as regional gates. This makes the target entering lowsec much harder to tackle, but its also more difficult for that person to attempt to return to the gate to survive/escape.

Not saying I endorse this though.

Yeah I know, they're not actual mechanics, but that doesn't stop them being manipulatable.

anyways I have since decided that I should really try to move around lowsec more than I have before runnin gmy mouth off about gate camps, I thought this might be an interesting experiment to see how people thought about them anyway :)

Oh, hey. Someone from E-Uni bitching about gate camps. That's different.