Player Features and Ideas Discussion

With the update (nerf) to the proposed interdictor warp speed, there is also room to adjust the warp speed of other fast ships. E.g. cov ops could drop to 8 and still be faster than interdictors, Interceptors could drop to 9 (and still be overpowered).

Now I do not know if it was already noted in here or not. If yes, point me in the right direction please.

I was just thinking if it's not a good time to put ore sites (at least in WH's) back to signatures instead of anomalies. With those warp speeds even spamming the DS won't help any miner to get off to safety... They deserve at least a little heads up which obviously it's not gonna happen with all those ship insta landing on your grid.

just my 2 cents for what those are worth...

While this update is nice, as many people have brought up, interceptors can travel very far in no time at all. When I first started playing years ago (different account), I thought that having fuel for everything would be cool. Now I thought how it could help hear.

The way fuel should be implemented is that fuel is required to initiate warp(still needing cap power to do so). By having this there is a logistical challenge, science every ship would have different range.

Interceptors: 30 jumps
Interdictors: 70 jumps
Bomber: 70 jumps
Covert ops: 100 jumps
Other t2 frigs: 50 jumps
T1 frigs: 75 jumps
Destroyers: 100 jumps
Fast Indy: 250 jumps
T1 cruisers: 125 jumps
T2 cruisers: 100 jumps
T3 cruisers: 150 jumps
Standard Indy: 400 jumps
BC/CS: 200 jumps
BS/T2BS: 300 jumps
Caps/super caps: 200
Freighters: 500
Jump freighters: 300

In general, t2 ships get less fuel due to their specialization, and larger ships have more endurance. Intercepters have limited range, since they have all the speed, and since speed comes at a cost, they have less range and would have to break off an engagement to avoid being stranded if the target keeps jumping.
Edit(forgot stuff): ships can only be refilled at stations, or posses, or by specially fitted indies to carry this fuel. However, when being filled by said indie, it takes time, a few minutes, where as it is instant when docked or at pos. This fuel is a fuel you have to get yourself, yet will be cheep(1>isk per fuel unit) but is found everywhere, since it is a byproduct from asteroid refining, and more so from ice asteroids.
Just my two cents in.

I'm going to go ahead and agree that interceptors do not need absolutely ridiculous warp speed off the bat. Inties should have better than average warp speed by default, but 66% more warp speed than other frigates out of the box is too much. Warp speed should be one of those things you fit for - you can get absolutely silly warp speed that will let you get on top of **** incredibly fast, but you have to fit the requisite rigs and such rather than the current state which is going from fast to silly when you fit the requisite rigs/mods.

ore sites and anomalies (for ratting) should still anomalies (alowing direct warp without scaning) for the players in the ally who holds the sov, and apear as signatures ( needs scanning) for players who arent from the ally who holds the sov (enimies, neuts). Seems to me reallistic.
With the new warp speeds for interceptors, even a BS aligned will be catchable before warp, some BSs needs more than 6 seconds to enter warp, i can land in a anomalie in less than those 6 seconds in some systems.
And i want to be very reallistic here; CCP really wants players who make isk ratting to be clicking D-scan every 3 seconds? Because thats not > to play, thats > to pain.

Unfortunately i didnt saw any oficial word about that situation/question.

Ratting need to have a risk/reward, sure, but also needs to be enjoyable, not anoying...

Just look at the background of the people responsible for this proposed idiocy.
When do you think was the last time either of them did any grinding in a PvE site?
They have zero empathy or understanding of that part of the game.

They do have. And htat is the exact purpose of thse changes! So that a large empire cannot simply rent their territory to peopel that cannot even defend themselves against small roaming gagns. They want peopel to be ACTIVE to get profit, and that include peopel patrolling your territories to detect enemies early.


You shoudl not warp when enemy appears in local, you shoudl already be docked by then!! You shoudl have warped when your patrols detected them 4 jumps away!!

- Posting like a noob! -

One of - if not the - longest celestial-to-celestial warps in the game is in 9-266Q in the Venal region. From the H-PA29 gate to the BV-1JG gate is 283.34 AU. I flew a Freighter, an interceptor and a rigged/implanted interceptor just to see the comparison for myself.

Apologies if someone has already done this but based on the warp values in this thread/currently on Sisi, the numbers I came back with were too interesting to ignore:

A freighter (1.333 AU/s) takes approximately 4 minutes and 38 seconds to cross 283.34 AU.
An interceptor (10 AU/s) without mods/implants takes approximately 37 seconds.
An interceptor with T2 Hyperspatial mods and a full Ascendancy implant set (26.03 AU/s) takes only 14 seconds.

With a fully kitted out inty/clone, I suppose you could perform the log-in trap and appear on-grid in literally a second with an unsuspecting ratter/anomer before they even have a chance to defecate themselves.

I've got a few updates to bring to you all today.

We've been making some tweaks to the numbers, moderating the changes to the far ends of the spectrum and adjusting the stats of the warp speed rigs and the warp speed T3 subsystems.

Firstly, we have done another pass on the warp speeds by class. The default advantage for T2 ships is being reduced slightly from 12.5% to 10%. We're also increasing the speeds of a few of the slower classes (freighters, titans, battlecruisers and command ships) a tad and reducing the speed advantage of the faster ships a bit as well (bringing the top end to 8au/s instead of the previous 10au/s). It's important to note that even with this extra reduction, all interceptors will see gigantic improvements to their warp speeds for virtually all warp distances after Rubicon.

Finally, we are also putting a cap on the deceleration speed that can be obtained for now. This cap is currently set to 2au/s (the declaration speed that a 6au/s warper hits by default, and twice the current hardcoded deceleration speed). This means that as ships start to travel faster than 6au/s they will start to hit diminishing returns.

This cap is being put in place for a few reasons, mainly related to the appearance of ships as they arrive. Having ships appear to blink into place as they exit warp is not ideal as it breaks immersion and prevents players on the destination grid from seeing where the new ship came from. It also significantly reduces the benefits of skilled play (alignment, vigilance) and severely weakens one of the planned natural counters to the new interceptors (smartbombing tactics). At the max deceleration ships will still appear very quickly on grid, but it will always be visible which direction they came from and there will always be one second between their arrival on grid and the completion of the warp.

The new post-Rubicon warp chart can be seen here, including the base warp speed changes and the deceleration cap.

We are also tweaking the warp speed rigs (Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizers) to give them a penalty to ship CPU output (same penalty as drone rigs) instead of their current penalty to armor amount, to even the playing field for different types of tanking.

And finally we are making a slight adjustment to the Gravitational Capacitor subsystems on the Tengu and Proteus. We are reducing their bonus to ship warp speed from 15% to 12.5%. This places a fully skilled Gravitation Capacitor T3 at 4.875au/s, or between the new warp speeds of Destroyers and Frigates. This may prove to be a bit too powerful, so we'll be watching it carefully after release and re-evaluating.

Thanks for the feedback and testing so far everyone!