Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The 50% MWD bloom bonus was there to create consistency with assault frigates. It's not specifically a design feature for HAC's....

the 6 cap/s on the other hand... that's a whole other story..

If CCP fixes the RHMLs so they get the bonuses that battleship has for cruise and torps just like cruisers give their missiles bonues to HAMs, HMLs, and RMLs then some battleships will do well against HACs with RHMLs, but CCP needs to fix that first.

But only on cruisers. Again anything else this will either not do enough DPS to replace torps or cruisers or will still have too big a explosion radius to do a lot of damage fast enough to matter. Just like RMLs are great against frigates, and destroyers, but against cruiser and up HAMs are a better choice, I tested this and proved it, even against HACs HAMs do better. If you are going to make the RHMLs you have to give them the bonus of the ship, like cruisers get with RLMs. They won't be anything amazing for a couple reasons. One the ship you are putting them on is big and slow, so once it's caught it's going to be finished, in CTAs they willl have little use, because against BSs they won't do the DPS or range that cruise would to BSs, against a wolf pack I doubt you'd kill more then one or two frigates before you die because they just can't do the DPS to them you'd need. ONLY against cruisers will these be grea against, and I'm sure cruiser pilots will find away to counter them too, it always happens. Let missiles have something else, they don't have anything near the range of options guns or drones have, one more launcher won't matter much. And CCP wiill adjust them as needed as they do everything. And if you choose to fit 3 rigor rigs, then you are gonna die fast aways, because you didn't do anything to help your tank, and as long as it takes a BS to lock a cruiser or frigate the range won't matter, they will be on you before you lock them or get a second volley off.

It seems to me ALL these forums just have people who want to whine, troll or do numbers that don't take in account a range of things in PvP, but then ships or new mods come out and they are always good or good enough and everything dies down. If something is too weak or too strong CCP seem good about fixing them right away, later anyway.

They really aren't, I used them on my Golem and they did terrible DPS, nothing compared to cruises or torps, if they don't get the bonuses as they should, they wouldn't be worth much but for PvE. And they can't do anything against other battleships or even battlecruisers right now. Cruisers shouldn't even fear them, if they aren't applied to the battleships missile bonuses.

That's probably because they don't get Golem's role bonus. On other ships they shouldn't be that terrible.

no ships giver thier role bonuses, the RS says 50% to velocity for torps and cruise, All Missile bonused BS need their bonuses to be for RHMLs also.

I guess that bonuses are still on case-by-case basis, but it makes no sense to me to exclude Golem from ships that can use RHMLs effectively, so as you've said, I believe it's an oversight. Unless it is, but on my part

Level V skills, no ship damage/rate-of-fire bonuses, modules or implants. 79.86%
• Cruise Missile Launcher II (scourge cruise missile) ... 45.2 dps
• Rapid heavy Missile Launcher II (scourge heavy missile) ... 36.1 dps

Explosion radius on heavy missiles is 105m, so applied damage to cruisers and frigates will be significantly higher than cruise missiles but less than cruise missiles against battleships. Well, let's look at cruisers and how their bonuses apply to RLMLs or light missiles.
• Caracal ... ROF √, Missile Velocity √
• Caracal Navy Issue ... ROF √, Explosion Radius x
• Cerberus ... ROF √, Missile Damage √, Missile Velocity √, Flight Time √
• Gila ... Missile Velocity √
• Legion ... ROF x, Missile Damage x
• Onyx ... Missile Damage √, Missile Velocity x
• Osprey Navy Issue ... Missile Damage √, Missile Velocity x
• Rook ... ROF x, Missile Velocity x
• Sacrilege ... ROF √, Missile Damage x, Missile Velocity x
• Bellicose ... ROF √
• Skythe Fleet Issue ... Missile Damage √
• Tengu ... Kinetic damage √, ROF √, Missile Velocity x

It's anything but consistent here.

I fail to grasp what point you're arguing here... None (zero) of the cruisers, heavy assault cruisers, strategic cruisers (or battlecruisers, for that matter) extend any explosion radius and explosion velocity to light missiles. Neither do battleships for RHMLs, so this is entirely consistent. The vast majority of cruiser hulls extend missile damage and/or rate of fire to light missiles and RLMLs - which is also consistent with the proposed RHMLs.

If every ship hull were to have the same bonuses there would be no difference beyond aesthetics in choosing one over the other.

For the umpteenth time, RHMLs receive the rate of fire and damage bonus from battleship hulls. If it's not in-place on the Golem, it's probably an oversight. I don't have access to Sisi - so I can neither confirm nor deny.