Player Features and Ideas Discussion

more looking at being uncloaked in a PVE fit ship for that long just to get through the ships armor. That is not any taking any other content for the site into consideration.

I am sure you know that covert ships are squishier than non covert ships, then you tack on rat specific tanking and suddenly any Pirate with half a brain will be able to take you out in seconds.

Also, I for one don't give 2 ***** about Isk/hr

So you want a ship that can blitz 6/10's, fit a covops cloak, AND tank other players in PvP. Geee, you're not asking for a lot at all, are you? Just your average run of the mill solowtfpwnmobile.

Also, cloaky cruisers never had a problem with tanking. Pilgrims can fit a beefy tank if they so choose. Cloaky Proteus's and Legions have a MONSTER tank. I've tanked 7/10's in a cloaky nullified tengu. It's cloaky dps that's always been the problem, not tank.

Like I said, balance.

Never said anything about wanting to blitz 6/10s not once.


Talks about balance. compares up broken as hell tengu.

Edit: But it would seem that soloing a 6/10 was ether a stretch or was fit with faction and deadspace modules.

While this iteration is 'better' Medium Lasers will still see minimal use on this ship because they are cap hungry hogs. Meaning it takes all your slots to run medium lasers without a cap bonus. Yet without a second laser bonus, they are no better than any other weapon even WITH the cap bonus. Without the cap bonus they are just horrible to try and use in any kind of sustained over 30 seconds environment Especially if you are trying to active tank at the same time as needed for PvE armour ships.
Dropping to 3 turrets & adding a 33.3% (or 37.5 to match) DPS bonus to bring it back up to 4 would solve both of these issues. It could then also have a 37.5% Optimal bonus to be a little shorter range than the Omen, but still a solid bonus. And you would then see these ships actually fitted with lasers.
Currently, most fits will not even with Optimal because there are just better options if you are fleeted, & solo you will use capless AC's, or facemelting blasters.

True that get rid of lazor bonud remove a high slot add a low.

Then give us s better drone bonus. ..

As it stands I only need 4 high slots anyways... one for probe one for drone link one for nuet one for rr armor rep

6 low slots lets you fit drone damage ii and a 4 slot tank

CCP good job with the chances, I think they will even the ship out more and make it a great exploring boat, as well as still able to fight for those of us who will use it for PvP. Now about Cald/Min pirate faction ships? Do tell!

And again to all those who have to whine and want everything nerfed. T3s aren't broken. Passive Tengus can be taken by HACs or other cruisers, active Tengus, well get smart and neut her and you win that, 100mn AB Tengu, Rapiers anyone? These are ships that are suppose to me the most advanced tech in New Eden, they come from Sleeper and other ancient races tech. So they should be pretty tough if fit right.. They are also the ONLY ships in EVE that if you get blown up in one you loose a skill, that a lone I think earns them a bit more then other ships, as well as their cost. You risk a lot when you fly a T3 compared to pretty much any other sub cap, loosing skills, cost, etc. Also they don't command boost as good as Commnad ships, can't EWAR as well as Recons can. If you add a cloak to any their DPS is cut down a lot. So stop complaining about a ship that is what it's suppose to be. If you don't like them don't fly them, if you can't beat them, well get more creative. If anything I'd start to worry about interceptors and immune T3 gangs shortly haha.

i would say

missile local shield repping pirate ships

role bonus:
37.5% bonus to shield rep

caldari bonus:
5% to missile rate of fire per level

minmatar bonus:
5% bonus to explosion velocity per level

Well then, since speed doesn't matter and you're cool with taking 4 minutes to kill the overseer, it seems we've both agreed that it can do 6/10s. Excellent.

No one in the history of this game (that wasn't a complete moron) has ever called the cloaky tengu op. Troll harder.

Also, c-type (and even some b-type) mods are relatively cheap, especially compared to the cost of the first faction covops cruiser available for mass consumption.

Wasn't it CCPs plan when they changed the rat agro in Retribution as to DED 6+ and other hard complexes would become a group activity? And now they are introducing a Cruiser to run them solo and everyone is crying that its not gonna run them fast enough..

The consensus amongst the people I have spoken to seems to be "Too shiny for wormholes" and the cruiser is too big for many hisec scan sites (those limited to frigates).