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Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2001 - 2013-10-24 18:25:13 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Tzar Sinak wrote:

Um, actually, 6/10s as suggested in the OP.

The adjusted stratios has no issues running a 6/10. It won't be the fastest ship to run a 6/10, but it will run it just fine. Nor should a covops ship be better at blitzing 6/10's than dedicated non-cloaky combat ships.
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

until then I don't quite think this ship is Ishtar levels of performance.

Good, It should never have been close. In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended.

What 6/10s are you even talking about here? Like, a Drake can run a Guristas 6/10 no problem.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Baronash
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2002 - 2013-10-24 18:32:08 UTC
Querns wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Tzar Sinak wrote:

Um, actually, 6/10s as suggested in the OP.

The adjusted stratios has no issues running a 6/10. It won't be the fastest ship to run a 6/10, but it will run it just fine. Nor should a covops ship be better at blitzing 6/10's than dedicated non-cloaky combat ships.
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

until then I don't quite think this ship is Ishtar levels of performance.

Good, It should never have been close. In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended.

What 6/10s are you even talking about here? Like, a Drake can run a Guristas 6/10 no problem.


A battlecruiser can run a site as well as a covops cruiser? Well, color me surprised.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#2003 - 2013-10-24 18:52:19 UTC
THIS IS AL GOONS FALT THEY R ROONING TEH GAM 4 AL OF US CPP IS CONTROLED BY GOONS THIS IS AL STUPIDD

/trollrant

On a serious note? I've always felt weird launching less than five drones. On the one hand, I suppose there's nothing inherently wrong with it, but I'd prefer a lower bonus and using 5 drones. Having more drones out that do slightly less damage each is better imo because it will take longer to kill them all off in PvP. Having less drones doing more damage makes it easier for your DPS to be neutralized.

That said, I suppose the changes are alright, and I can certainly understand the concern and need for a nerf since these ships can use a covops cloak.

Katrina Oniseki

luredivino
Hoover Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#2004 - 2013-10-24 18:57:08 UTC
You should have let it go to singularity before you nefed it.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2005 - 2013-10-24 19:00:31 UTC
Kinda sad to see the virus strength bonus increased but rather that than an extra high.

Love all the proposed changes!
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#2006 - 2013-10-24 19:03:06 UTC
Meh. Don't like the nerf to the Stratios...
Luscius Uta
#2007 - 2013-10-24 19:05:13 UTC
I like the drone bay nerf on Stratios (it's silly that only carriers get larger drone bay), but the slot layout still blows (similar slot layout works well on Ishtar because of T2 resists) and the special ability is kinda meh (would prefer a bonus to drone control range there).

Workarounds are not bugfixes.

Lady Oremond
4 Marketeers
Rura-Penthe
#2008 - 2013-10-24 19:08:51 UTC
Don't take away drones! Please do anything at all to lower dps besides lowering drone bandwidth.

Take away cyno, take away the laser bonus, take away a turret slot, even take away a high slot, just keep it with 5 heavys.
luredivino
Hoover Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#2009 - 2013-10-24 19:21:14 UTC
Since ccp is most likely going to stick with its guns on the nerf. A 5/4/6 slot layout would be much better. At least allow us enough lows to stick damage mods on it.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2010 - 2013-10-24 19:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

Yes! Thank you.
Explorers love you!

Are you trying to speak for all of us again? Stop that.

That said, the Stratios still looks like a good ship, even with one less heavy. Despite the outcry, it's sensible that the pinnacle of drone abilities should be left to the drone race.

As an addendum i will point out i did not include the word all.
Your decision not to be included in this note of thanks is noted.
Better now?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
#2011 - 2013-10-24 19:27:49 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
both ships need to lose a mid slot to be balanced and to be fair too other drone boats .. the whole -1 slot for a drone boat

Losing a mid slot would wreck them for exploration.


hardly

Losing a mid slot would further wreck the shield PVP fit i wanted to fly... QQ
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2012 - 2013-10-24 19:32:13 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended.


Please let me know how it could possibly break Skomener Effotber's tank. Or even come close to the Serp 6.
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2013 - 2013-10-24 19:33:35 UTC
Baronash wrote:
Querns wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Tzar Sinak wrote:

Um, actually, 6/10s as suggested in the OP.

The adjusted stratios has no issues running a 6/10. It won't be the fastest ship to run a 6/10, but it will run it just fine. Nor should a covops ship be better at blitzing 6/10's than dedicated non-cloaky combat ships.
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

until then I don't quite think this ship is Ishtar levels of performance.

Good, It should never have been close. In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended.

What 6/10s are you even talking about here? Like, a Drake can run a Guristas 6/10 no problem.


A battlecruiser can run a site as well as a covops cruiser? Well, color me surprised.

I think we are talking about different things

when I see 6/10, I think Guristas Troop Reinvigoration Camp

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Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
#2014 - 2013-10-24 19:39:17 UTC
Black Canary Jnr wrote:
Dear CCP,

I'm very upset that you nerfed a ship that isn't in the game yet, it is TOTALLY UNVIABLE now. I'm also very upset that i have to train lasers and there are no missile slots. Please make this ship OP again so it makes sense to use it, balance sucks.

Yours,

Cry baby McMoanerson.



I'll be flying one if i can get enough ISK. Good work CCP. Cloak, scanning bonus and enough tank to hold down a few ships will make it a very nice C-probing scout that is a cheaper alternative to a T3. They will still be popular for dropping too, i imagine.

You'll end up with a pitiful fit if you try to put an expanded probe launcher on it. They take in the excess of 200 CPU you know.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2015 - 2013-10-24 19:40:21 UTC
What does it take DPS wise to run a 6/10?
Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
#2016 - 2013-10-24 19:41:22 UTC
Saeka Tyr wrote:
Well that's an absolute shame. Why don't we try it with 125m^3 bandwidth as designed for a bit before nerfing it hugely? It hasn't even been SEEDED onto the test server yet!

So much this.
Kellath Eladrel
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2017 - 2013-10-24 19:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kellath Eladrel
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
What does it take DPS wise to run a 6/10?


I know from experience there are some overseers that can tank a full rack of Garde IIs hitting perfectly with max skills. Some of them may stop repping themselves after like an hour, otherwise you need extra dps from something. Stratios doesn't have any optimal or tracking bonuses to drones either.

Five card stud, nothing wild, and the sky's the limit.

Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
#2018 - 2013-10-24 19:42:51 UTC
Querns wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Tzar Sinak wrote:

Um, actually, 6/10s as suggested in the OP.

The adjusted stratios has no issues running a 6/10. It won't be the fastest ship to run a 6/10, but it will run it just fine. Nor should a covops ship be better at blitzing 6/10's than dedicated non-cloaky combat ships.
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

until then I don't quite think this ship is Ishtar levels of performance.

Good, It should never have been close. In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended.

What 6/10s are you even talking about here? Like, a Drake can run a Guristas 6/10 no problem.


Max skilled ishtar with 5 sentries and high DPS PVP shield fit can barely break the overseer tank in a Sansha 6/10.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#2019 - 2013-10-24 19:43:53 UTC
would people be happy if they returend the 5th drone but reduced the drone bonus to 7.5% to hp/damage per level?

that way you are going from 6 effective drones to 6.875 drones. which is still less then the standard 7.5 effective drones....

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#2020 - 2013-10-24 19:45:20 UTC
Witchking Angmar wrote:
Querns wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Tzar Sinak wrote:

Um, actually, 6/10s as suggested in the OP.

The adjusted stratios has no issues running a 6/10. It won't be the fastest ship to run a 6/10, but it will run it just fine. Nor should a covops ship be better at blitzing 6/10's than dedicated non-cloaky combat ships.
Omnathious Deninard wrote:

until then I don't quite think this ship is Ishtar levels of performance.

Good, It should never have been close. In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended.

What 6/10s are you even talking about here? Like, a Drake can run a Guristas 6/10 no problem.


Max skilled ishtar with 5 sentries and high DPS PVP shield fit can barely break the overseer tank in a Sansha 6/10.


what about 5 orge II as they do more damage then sentries?

that with short range pulse ammo and you should be able to break it...

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