EVE General Discussion

Lol they clearly are. They f*cked up big time and the longer CCP lets this mess unfold the worse it will get.

Devs gone wild!

Seriously, so how much isk can I tack on as an incentive for buying GTC's?

For the record, SOMER is NOT an authorized reseller. He's running a referral program and is therefore exchanging isk for referrals, which he gets cash for.

I am curious how this fits into your model?

winter is coming

with regard to B) i suggest that everyone is sent an eve mail so nobody can claim ignorance.

i know it's possible because i had eve mails about the CSM election.

And praised for his great community service...

You are using the same raffle scheme Somer Blink uses, with the exception that you are offering an over-priced GTC and a raffle, instead of a referral to a "normally" priced GTC sold by the authorized reseller and a raffle.

You not being an authorized reseller might be a good reason but I'm not sure if they have rules to regulate the price an authorized reseller can ask for a GTC. If they don't he can sell it for whatever value he wants, or even sell it for "the official value" + addittional value under the table.

Yeah right, they offer the "referral to the authorized reseller" and a raffle. That's what I wrote in last post. Shai and Dark could do the same (offer a referral to an authorized reseller sale).




Shai and Dark could offer the same raffles and a GTC referall to an authorized seller. The authorized seller sells the normally priced GTC and the buyer gives them rest of the money under the table.

Stop pretending that all capital infrastructure was built only because people donated isk buying plex's.
If capital ships are being built it means tonns of resources are being gathered making stable network of resources. And it also means a lot of people are involved in the industry. The industry is just stable and is working as a well-maintained system. With donations of plex or without them - in any case the industry would have reached the needed level of complexity and effectiveness to build capital ships in big amounts. It's absolutely natural. Any efforts to stop or narrow that would be strongly artificial.


I don't know Bronx, I'm not an american. You know, people don't have to be familiar with your local memes.
The very PRESENCE of scum makes a game more realistic. Those who can't or don't want to just deal with it - may go to a sweet, little-girl-ish game where people are all nice to each other.


Trade means deals going both ways. Legal donations (sic!) do not suit to the "RMT" term, because they go in but never go out of the game. And Plex btw does not produce ISK, it just stands for an exchange medium on the market. In other words, ISK just change hands without producing anything: some people spend their time to create ingame content and events, other people spend time grinding isk; then they "meet" on the market and there happens exchange of time for money (sort of a salary, in an unusual way). The game benefits from it.


Oh, I've looked at what is SC looking like. There is almost nothing to donate for yet, but I already see an incredible hunger for donations.
Eve is not a "submarine sim". I thought it was obvious.


I, for example, looked at it because I wanted a modern space MMO with manual piloting, i.e. space-fight simulator like "Dark Horizon" but in MMO genre.
And for me SC is not an option anymore.


"relative anarchy of immortal capsuleers", it's either ok for you, or you chose a wrong game to play. That simple. And noone is forcing anybody to play with "a**holes", a pilot can choose people to have fun with. The universe is big enough.


Calling plex-trade an RMT and stopping it is like cutting off one's head because of a headache. Cure headache - in this case it's botting and selling ISK on ebay or wherever - no need to lose the whole head.



Banking system cannot work on trust, without state and government. And for all of it there must be instruments ingame available to capsuleers so that they could create administative autonomy.
If you decide one day to use people's trust and start scamming them nothing can stop you and there is no way to punish you. And you're still talking about banking based on trust. Banks and law (law = government, police, courts) are inseparable. People don't go to banks because they trust them, they go there because they trust the government and its ability to maintain law. Also banks don't give money to people out of trust, banks rely on the law (read: government) and that the state can make people return money back (at least in most cases, enough to make bank's business highly profitable).
How do you imagine tools which would give players ability to:
1. Write constitution, laws.
2. Make courts, police.
3. Make the punishment for crime at least relatively inevitable.
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Had to quote myself, sorry.
For the situation with SOMER this means that ccp is like a government whom the players believe, but if someday SOMER or similar "trust based" organization turns into a huge scam it will be "game mechanics" and I doubt ccp will punish them for that.
So ccp shouldn't show their trust to any ingame business organization unless they can guarantee for 100% that this won't ever turn into scam.

My thread was very serious. I'm not sure why I am not being allowed to do what SOMER is doing?