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You talk too much, Aryth.

Yes. We're already making mad money. We are warning you that this will help us make even more money and make you scream in impotent rage. We are telling you this because it is way more hilarious if you have actually been well and duly warned.

i meant prices will go up obviously. ill edit it, just for you, because you can't understand context and how neither of those paragraphs make sense without flipping a single word.

there.

now you can respond (cry) to the actual post, instead of nit picking semantics.

boo hoo, goonswarm.

Thanks for restating everything Aryth and Mynnna are already telling everyone.

If we mercilessly siphon every R64 moon in the universe that isn't ours, and we lose some R64s to enemy siphon, all while toying with the R64 markets since months ago, there's no way we aren't making trillions and annihilating affordable T2 prices.

We can double all the T2 ship prices.

Starbase weapons are a relic from the old days of EVE; when Dreadnoughts had 80k EHP and Tech 2 ships were flown by a small number of rich pilots. They've never been reviewed since.

Here are some facts I find amusing:

• The targeting delay on POS weapons allows anything battleship-sized (or smaller) time to land on grid, drop an item, and align out again before being targeted. Smaller guns may get off a volley, but they do about less DPS than a modern frigate so who cares. Webs and points cannot lock in time.


• With the warp speed changes in Rubicon, it will be possible for cruiser-sized ships and below to align out from a POS, warp to a gate and jump out of system before a warp disruption battery will finish a lock. Yep, the scan res is so bad on these things you can literally leave system before they lock you.


• Without using (very rare) faction weapons, a purely combat fit starbase will do less than 10,000dps, slightly above a single Dreadnought. This fit is exclusive to Amarr and Minmatar towers, as POS hybrid and missile weapons do less than half this damage.
In order to do this much damage, all the modules need to be operated in advance by several people in place ahead of time and focusing on a single target. They will then sit there and wait 30-40secs for the guns to lock, while hoping the target doesn't just warp out. Which it will.

Because there are plenty of small groups who simply buy those r64's in Jita and react them into more advanced materials required for T2.

Dropping a mining tower on an r64 moon doesn't automatically spit out T2 ships you know. There are several steps in the process and this new feature happily disrupts the most basic levels, affecting everyone up the chain.

Did you miss the part where the siphons explicitly destroy 20% of what they steal

This is great, I now have a peace time hobby for my tengu/crane/widow crew.

Lets see crane cargo 9,405.9 so fits about 470 siphons, no limit to the number I can drop on a tower, have a list of moons check, this is going to be epic!!! I figure 50 per tower (just to be safe, want to make sure they last a while), and that gives me 20 spares to pop back and replace for the aggressive locals.

I love you CCP best Idea ever!

I mean I think I've made my point: we're arguing with people who don't have the faintest grasp of any of the underlying systems like dr "less moongoo harvested means prices drop" economics, so I'm going to repeat myself once and then stop responding to people who can barely manage to string together two sentences, most of which is misspelled.

The system itself could be neat when siphon costs aren't a rounding error, but the system is poorly balanced as it is because there's no cost to losing a siphon. In addition, being able to chain two siphons to nuke the entire output is not well balanced and that should be looked at. Lastly, alchemy being immune throws things off. Presumably this is because it produces one unit an hour. That should be changed to producing 200 units an hour, and requiring 200 to refine. They can even be .005m3 so that nothing changes size-wise.

Those three things should be looked at and corrected before (not after) they are introduced. Especially the cost, as you say you'll fix it later if it's unbalanced - but you won't, because you won't want to run the risk of people speculatively hording beforehand.

The smallest group with any amount of relevance is probably RnK, and even then they mostly run gimmick ops.

Smaller groups will go bankrupt from losing haulers and equipment trying to siphon some materials from us. We're going to heavily subsidize screwing with enemy R64s thanks to our other sources of income and market manipulation. You're all going to have to learn to cope.

As people have mentioned in this very thread, we can in fact field entire fleets of 100m isk suicide battlecruisers. We could get 2500 siphons for the price of one Tornado fleet. That's more than two for each R64 moon we don't own. You're welcome.