EVE General Discussion

Some of us are already convincing our wives why we need a TrakIR and a HOTAS Warthog to go with our Star Citizen account for the dog fighting module.

I`m giving up, I`ve had one question to ask throughout this whole debacle and nobody has been able to answer it.
I haven`t been repeatidly yelling and shiptoasting like a child, I`ve just asked... in various threads... that get locked....just like this one will.
The CSM had recognised there were problems with the draw before it went ahead and listed them HERE before the draw happened.
In the post they had brought to CCP`s attention that not everyone could compete in the SOMER draw and that was a problem.
CCP ignored them and continued anyway.

My question is why CCP,did you ignore the CSM and let a skewed lottery go ahead?
It`s an easy question ....

Frankly from my point of view CCP is unable to regulate itself, even with the tools to do so and that is why i`m offski 07.
It undermines even the work that themselves and the CSM are doing right now and makes a mockery of the CSM process.

To any of the CSM..

What makes you think that CCP will listen to you and the playerbase when a situation blows up again?


And stop spamming my inbox with re-subscription reminders CCP ffs... it`s just desperate.

The fact that an individual is unable or unwilling to grasp perfectly well-defined boundaries does not mean there is any kind of grey area. You are mistaking stupidity for complexity.

and the citizens get to either try and assassinate the king or flee the kingdom.

Not Empty Quoting

seems CCP is committed to these 'special relationship's and gift giving, which is why they need their lawyers to do the legalese involved with sponsoring a casino. they also expect us to be mollified by what is likely to be a survey that doesn't explain the root of the issue and only offers questions that will lead to answers they want. we are also expected to wait months for this issue before it 'maybe' is resolved. please correct me where i'm wrong.

On further reflection why does this phrase make me feel like a massive F U is on the way to the playerbase?

I just don't get the idea of the survey. I understand what you write about getting data, but the whole idea and concept of the CSM is that the CSM should function as a soundingboard for the community that elected them. They represent the community and should have both enough confidence, legitimacy, and feeling with the community to be taken seriously by CCP when voicing their opinions without needing to send out surveys. The survey is more or less useless for several reason:

1. A survey result is only as good as its interpretation and many questions can be interpreted differently both by the survey maker (CSM/CCP) and by the players answering the question.

2. If you need a suvey now when does it stop? Does the CSM then need a player-base-wide survey every time they have to deal with the CCP? Isn't the point of us electing you that we trust in your judgement without having to do large surveys every time an issue arises? The CSM are in the CSM council to be the voice of the players. If we disagree with your judgement we can elect new representatives in the future.

3. You have 40+ pages in this thread, granted with quit a bit of repetitive opinions, some hysteria/rage, but ultimately with a clear indication of the problem at hand and suggestions for its solution by many many different voices, not just a few repeaters. I as a normal player have read through the majority of this entire stack of posts and the least I expect from the CSM is that they do that too even if it isn't much fun. Grab a cold beer, bring in a box of cookies, and start reading. Make sure you take a pee break and have a smoke, then come back. Use a pen and a paper to note down the key points of the most interesting posts (there are several in between). Now you don't need the survey.

4. A lot of people are not going to answer a survey, it will get lost in the mail. do people with 10+ account's answers get more weight in the result, people's first language is not english, some don't even speak it, people misunderstand the question because they don't know the background for it and thus answers differently than they otherwise would, not everyone in a space game are old or mature enough that you necessarily want to base important game management decisions on their answers, etc etc etc.
A survey is a bad idea and the CSM function is exactly the opposite, so that CCP doesn't have to bother us all with surveys since they have you whom we have elected.

Good luck ! :)

True.
But they are not giving the answers CCP wants.

In a survey you can influence answers by the way you phrase questions.

Something marketeers and politicians have known for a long time.

ATTN CCP GUARD




PLZ CONFIRM THIS FOR US

If I had an ISK for every time someone's told me what a "real CSM" would do, I'd be richer than SOMER.