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[Rubicon] Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#301 - 2013-10-15 20:07:10 UTC
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Lasers can be tracking disrupted, optimal disrupted, and neuted.

Autocannons can be tracking and range disrupted.

Blasters and rails can be tracking and range disrupted, as well as neuted.

But missiles? Nope. No form of any effective e-war against missiles. As long as you're in range, they hit, they do damage, and they kill. This is unbalanced, especially with the introduction of new launchers.

Also, don't say "ECM" or "sensor disruption" because those apply to ALL hulls, not just missile boats.


Defender missiles?

I know, the end of that sentence should be "sucks" lol
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#302 - 2013-10-15 20:12:26 UTC
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
But missiles? Nope. No form of any effective e-war against missiles. As long as you're in range, they hit, they do damage, and they kill. This is unbalanced, especially with the introduction of new launchers.

Not this sh*t again... What?

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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#303 - 2013-10-15 20:34:40 UTC
Can we get a Tier 3 BC that can use missiles too?
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#304 - 2013-10-15 20:46:35 UTC
Make the Tornado a missile boat.








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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#305 - 2013-10-15 21:17:28 UTC
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Can we get a Tier 3 BC that can use missiles too?

Let's swap the Naga out for missiles.

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XvXTeacherVxV
Be Nice Inc.
Prismatic Legion
#306 - 2013-10-15 22:00:47 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Can we get a Tier 3 BC that can use missiles too?

Let's swap the Naga out for missiles.


This was a better idea before RHML were on the table. If the Naga couldn't fit them, then it might still be viable but I think some folks would cry foul if it could because it would be so much more versatile than the other ABC hulls.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#307 - 2013-10-15 22:17:28 UTC
XvXTeacherVxV wrote:
This was a better idea before RHML were on the table. If the Naga couldn't fit them, then it might still be viable but I think some folks would cry foul if it could because it would be so much more versatile than the other ABC hulls.

Heavy missile Naga with a range of 62km. Works for me.

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#308 - 2013-10-16 04:22:38 UTC
Will you also be implementing rapid cruise launchers for the Phoenix?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#309 - 2013-10-16 04:48:24 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Will you also be implementing rapid cruise launchers for the Phoenix?


But that might make it useful...
Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
#310 - 2013-10-16 07:13:27 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Will you also be implementing rapid cruise launchers for the Phoenix?


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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#311 - 2013-10-16 07:27:23 UTC
Elindreal wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Will you also be implementing rapid cruise launchers for the Phoenix?


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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#312 - 2013-10-16 08:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Can we get a Tier 3 BC that can use missiles too?

Let's swap the Naga out for missiles.


Let's make the Talos a missile boat Lol

Weird, I wrote Talos when I actually meant the Tornado... Shocked

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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#313 - 2013-10-16 10:17:53 UTC
Looking at eve-kill's top 20, which as we all know is a perfectly accurate representation of ship balance and Eve Big smile, then we see that the Naga is the most popular ABC. So it's not a good idea to make it a missile boat, it'll just annoy people.

Instead, let's make the least popular ABC into a missilespammer. That's the Oracle.
Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#314 - 2013-10-16 12:50:53 UTC
Heavies were nerfed to bring them in line with medium long range turrets.

Medium long range turrets were buffed.

See the problem? RHMLs will shoot heavies, and heavies still suck.

It's reasonable to buff heavies to pre-nerf levels in light of the medium long range turret buff, and then worry about balance for these new turrets.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#315 - 2013-10-16 14:54:53 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Looking at eve-kill's top 20, which as we all know is a perfectly accurate representation of ship balance and Eve Big smile, then we see that the Naga is the most popular ABC. So it's not a good idea to make it a missile boat, it'll just annoy people.

Instead, let's make the least popular ABC into a missilespammer. That's the Oracle.

Yeah... no. It doesn't make sense to have two hybrid ships, and the Gallente already have the Talos. Naga should get missiles, plain and simple (or at least the ability to run either hybrids or missiles).

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#316 - 2013-10-16 14:55:56 UTC
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
Heavies were nerfed to bring them in line with medium long range turrets.

Medium long range turrets were buffed.

See the problem? RHMLs will shoot heavies, and heavies still suck.

It's reasonable to buff heavies to pre-nerf levels in light of the medium long range turret buff, and then worry about balance for these new turrets.

Heavies will suck less if we include the missile velocity bonus. I think the majority would be ecstatic with that.

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Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#317 - 2013-10-16 15:28:47 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
Heavies were nerfed to bring them in line with medium long range turrets.

Medium long range turrets were buffed.

See the problem? RHMLs will shoot heavies, and heavies still suck.

It's reasonable to buff heavies to pre-nerf levels in light of the medium long range turret buff, and then worry about balance for these new turrets.

Heavies will suck less if we include the missile velocity bonus. I think the majority would be ecstatic with that.


I think the more important piece here would be, re-evaluate HM's, if the conclusion is they are working as intended, then yes, I agree with you. If they tweak them, and these changes effect range, then perhaps something like the vel bonus not being applied makes sense. This being because in both scenarios the end result is similar.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#318 - 2013-10-16 15:49:47 UTC
Outz Xacto wrote:
I think the more important piece here would be, re-evaluate HM's, if the conclusion is they are working as intended, then yes, I agree with you. If they tweak them, and these changes effect range, then perhaps something like the vel bonus not being applied makes sense. This being because in both scenarios the end result is similar.

I think HMs work as intended for the most part (most of the ships that can run HMs already bonus the velocity). It wouldn't be the end of the world to have a 62km range, but 95km would be better. Lol

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#319 - 2013-10-16 18:41:51 UTC
Could we please get an update (yay or nay) on including the missile velocity bonus for RHMLs?

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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#320 - 2013-10-16 22:06:54 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Could we please get an update (yay or nay) on including the missile velocity bonus for RHMLs?

An update on anything missile related is usually too much to ask from CCP.