EVE General Discussion

Why does CCP act like this is such a difficult situation to analyse, like its really hard to balance up the rights and wrongs of it.

IT IS EASY. All I presonally want is the following:

1) CCP to implement an 'Above the Fray' rule. This means they will never take sides with in game entities again. They will only intervene in the game where the EULA is being broken.

2) CCP item spawning (AKA game meddling) to be immediately limited to:

• Valid reimbursment cases
• AT (and similar CCP run tournament) prizes
• Seasonal gifts (must be gifted to all)

the above list is comprehensive

3) All of SOMERblink's iScorps to be taken back and destroyed immediately

4) All promotion and support for SOMERblink to cease (in keeping with the Above the Fray principle). I also would like a sober and simply worded announcement that SOMERblink is able to scam, might be scamming, and can scam in the future.

5) SOMERblink to be ordered to cease its RMT business. I want each SOMERblink account to receive a 1 week suspension and a fine applied to the founder in isk, equal to half of the total isk paid out under the RMT scheme (this is very lenient, and fair as CCP is partly to blame for not apprehending SOMER earlier, he probably thought what he was doing was ok).

TOO GREEDY?

The other thing that this has shown is how lop sided these give always have been.

Listening to Crossing Zebras, they receive 1 free account and were given 2 free tickets to fan fest(entry tickets not airplane or room costs ect..).

Now Crossing Zebras is a great site, look at what Xander went through to try and interview all of the CSM candidates but they apparently deserve almost nothing, plus all of the other great community sites that are given little or nothing.

But a gambling site gets showered in hundreds of billions of isk and they are a for profit site that sponsors community events because it is good advertising. In RL Alcohol, tobacco, gambling sites and even oil companies support community events and sports, they do it for advertising and so it makes them look good or does CCP believe that tobacco companies supported formula one for so many years because they were such great guys interested in the sport and not in increasing their sales.

CCP really has this ass about, personally I like Somer blink but they are not a community site, they are there for profit both RL and in game.

In my honest opinion, I belive we all contribute to this sandbox which is EVE ONLINE.

In honesty I dont really want an apology, or for SOMER to be punished.

Just needs to be sorted and not happen again.

Then again I am genuinely probably going to stop playing eve. There are far too many other games out there without all this rubbish associated with them.

1 - Capital blobs are a realistic result of ultra-massive RMT brought to the extreme. Stop pretending it's because of legit effort, this very thread shows the situation, the (too) smart players and a company that closes one eye including vs null sec RMT corps.

2 - What do those types of scum add to the game? It's like going to old Bronx and saying: "all those dog piles help keeping the awesome ambience!"

3 - See point 1. I want to see the same guys happily losing 47B worth of capital ships (just to talk about a recent battle) without blinking, without support from RMT ISK.

4 - It's unlikely SC will have realistic physics. But it'll implement enough to not appear to be a double clicks driven submarine sim. When playing skilled of course, for all the others there's Masterca... ehm Orbit at nn meters.

5 - It certainly does not apply to SC "EvE dissenters". SC is going to be identically "open ended", in fact it's close to EvE's basic principles enough, for a lot of EvE players to watch it closely.




*I* don't mind. In fact I am still here. Others seem to mind, maybe because sitting with utter a*holes does not immediately feel like it's a big value addition to the game.




What did not exist years ago was PLEX (officially supported RMT). PLEX is a perfect ISK exchange machine (aka wallet segregation breaker or ISK velocity increaser) that lets heavy ISK faucets grinders meet heavy ISK consumers (null sec alliances). Too often the ISK faucet grinders are botters and RMTers. The can buy thousands of PLEXes with dirty ISK and launder it as they place them for sale at convenient prices.




It's a sandbox game, meant to provide us tools to plan and draw our own life plots. If I want to become a trusted service I should be allowed access to *opt in* tools to certify the goodwill. That is self imposed policies and restrictions. A personal choice that lets other people think: "that guy gave up on impunity, he has to behave, we can trust his services".

Now, I personally don't have many issues, if you check the MD forum you will see I got even > 100B ISK just on my word but the game can't be designed around me, Chribba, Grendell and an handful others. Self imposed, opted in trustworthiness should be just another of the plethora of tools this game makes available to us.




You would hate it but we had highly popular banks so the topic is popular. Also I find it peculiar to call "parasite" somebody who has to manually process ALL the withdrawal tellering process, person by person, transaction by transaction, and also pay interests to the account holders on top of it.

I think what you are saying is " resolution with out restitution is meanless". There is no moving forward until the sandbox is restored and ccp integrity is made whole again. I sit and countinue to give them as much rope as the need. They have at least earned that. Now that ccp has added the eve vegas log to the fire the restitution price is going up.

I would be curious to see how many people following this thread also feel this way.

CCP have a fun trip to Vegas. Iam sure you have made enough money off somer GTC sales to have a really great time. Don't worry about us paying subscribers feeling betrayed, we will be here when you get back waiting by the forum door to hear your response. I guess our 15 dollars are not that important when compared to getting people hooked on gambling and selling eve stuff thru somer. The longer you wait the larger the army grows and what I find amazing you don't really see the problem yet. I was told that my support would bomrang on me but slowly it is growing and after the last response it is even getting larger.

DNSBlack

The "thing to do" would be to shut down SOMER's RMT'ing (the 200m isk per GTC purchase) PENDING the completion of the investigation.

The fact that SOMERblink is an RMT scheme as well as a form of micro transaction economy is a big deal - and does require some time to investigate I would imagine.

I would assume they are looking at how much isk has been sold, as well as any connections, if any, between devs, SOMER and MarkeeDragon. The "who knew what?" of this, if you will. So once again - patience is important. For CCP's side of it, they need to make sure that if we are going to be kept waiting, we get some solid answers.

In the meantime, I have to wonder why they haven't given SOMERblink some monocles to auction off...

I agree with patience, selectively. At this time this is not something to debate. SOMER is clearly in violation of the current EULA, and I don't think they need to have a discussion on whether rule breaking should be allowed (again, they have now admitted to being aware of the issue here). All they have to do is enforce their current rules.

If they want to have a discussion about the validity of those rules, and potential changes they would like to make to them going forward, then that is fine. But that should be done after they have enforced their current rules.

In the end this is just another form of special treatment for SOMER.

they did, it just keeps slipping through the cracks. they received 4 rare monocles iirc. so, they have been the recipient of not 1, not 2, but at least 3 rewards so far.