Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I was merely pointing out that unproven accusations and mentioning other threads and other events in an attempt to take the spotlight off of the valid points I was trying to make (while still trying to keep it lighthearted by making a pokemon reference) was not helping the discussion move forward.

I didn't think it would be seen as trolling but you are within your rights to report whatever posts you feel have overstepped the bounds as well as reporting me as an alt for whoever.

That said, saying 5 virus strength less is 'gimping' anything borders on the ludicrous. I can do the hardest hacking content in the game currently with a 95% success rate with T1 equipment and a lv4 skill in the covops. With T2 and lv5 skill I have EVEN BETTER CHANCES with the sisters exploration frigate and cruiser.

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Think theres a few more, keep them coming.

Well if you take into account the T2 resists then the total effect is more on the T2 ship.

Like if we were to translate that 4% into the topic at hand, say the covops and SOE ships had both 10% to virus strength per level but the covops had a higher base virus str over the SOE ships (2 vs 1) then you'd end up with 10 and 5 repectively even though that bonus is the same.

Nah put the whole list in there, you are immune, you think CCP Won't touch you and you can disrupt all the forums for as long as you want.

Also, with the high payouts usually assosiated with high sec exploration (guirista 3/10s and 4/10s) the pimp on those exploration ships tend to be quite high and it may well be capable of doing those combat sites.

However, 3/10 and 4/10s will be run by the SOE CRUISER that has damage bonused sentries.

best way to challenge him is to send him a PM, telling me wont get you anywhere.

I have some confidence that the frigate will be able to do 3/10 sites, but will have to confirm once they hit Sisi
Edit: After checking some stats for 3/10 overseer repair rates, i can for sure say that 5 light drones will be able to kill them. The most repair/second for them is around 5hp/s.

This back and forth is driving me nuts. It's a pain to sift through the muck to read insightful ideas.

I think we need to wait and see if there is a BS in the works. All indicators say .... YES. Place holder bunk model? check. Place holder stats? Check.

I still feel CCP is trying to provide a linear improvement for combat sites:

Frigate: hi-sec.
Cruiser: hi-sec and low-sec.
Battle Ship: All the above plus null and WH.

It would be AWESOME if they did BC for null and BS for WH.... just saying. I know that's not going to happen as zero pirate factions have dedicated BC's. But one could hope.

Perhaps a comment from a dev on the goal, vision for each ship?

Here I was, happily reading the new replies and keeping to myself for once, and then I saw this. Let's begin.



I am an explorer. It is what I do. I travel 15, 30, 45 jumps from my home system to find interesting places whose names and scenery I have never seen before. Along the way, I scan. If I see something I like, I will investigate it. Wormholes, analyzer sites, combat sites, beacons, anything. From my point of view, it's crazy to take a Covops for this.

A Covops, while small and slick and fast, forces me to skip combat sites, ignore DED plexes, stay away from the Abandoned Shipyard or Decayed Pirate Ruins on my overview beckoning for further investigation. It also has a disturbingly small cargo hold, meaning I can't just jump from gate to gate and site to site. I have to stop and empty the damn thing because it keeps filling up. Sometimes this means abandoning useful loot like datacores or the new loot for making the new T2 scanning equipment. It's annoying and frustrating and it adds slowness, restriction and tedium to something that would otherwise be enjoyable.

The SoE ships will, if their combat ability is not blunted too much, set me free to explore the way I want to.

I will sell my Cheetah in less than one-tenth of a second and fly a Stratios, even with only +5 virus strength. I'd fly the Astero if I didn't think it looked terrible, and I'll probably give the finished aesthetics a chance on SiSi anyhow.

By the way, an exploration ship's so-called "core role" is not limited to hacking. An exploration ship must be capable of finding sites, be they combat or analysis, and then completing those sites. If anything, I'd argue that a covops ship cannot complete combat sites at all and thus performs its "core role" as an exploration ship less well than the proposed SoE ships.



Who in their right mind would go out exploring in a ship that forces them to abandon potential earnings because it cannot hope to even attempt combat? Speaking of combat, warping while cloaked does nothing for PvE? Have you ever been in hostile space even once?

As far as probe launchers go, if you look more closely, you'll find that these ships are already pre-nerfed to very heavily discourage the use of expanded launchers. Certainly you'll be able to fit one, but it's more along the lines of shoehorning than actually fitting. You'll pay a significant price in fittings for trying to fit a covops cloak and an expanded launcher to either ship, especially the Stratios which has no CPU bonus for covops cloaks.

One last thing - Cost is not a balancing factor. It doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in serious discussion.



Your commentary on T3s probably should have stopped at the point where you admitted to not being experienced in them. As a Loki pilot, allow me to enlighten you a bit. Currently, highsec exploration as a whole is pointless in a T3; either the ships are denied entry at the acceleration gate or a smaller and faster ship is overwhelmingly better. Lowsec exploration is a little better for T3s, but not too much; you still see some gates that deny entry and the sites aren't particularly hard, meaning you don't really need that virus bonus. Furthermore, since it's lowsec, speed and agility are of the essence and a frigate always has more of these than any cruiser. The only place in lowsec where a T3 is truly useful are DED 5/10s and 6/10s. Lowsec is generally much more populated and thus much more dangerous than the vast majority of nullsec and so you'll find that a covops cloak is essential or possibly even required. The covops cloak, however, comes at the cost of significant DPS loss (in the case of the Legion it neuters your DPS into near-uselessness).

When you move into nullsec and WH exploration, you can start getting better usefulness out of your T3. The gates stop refusing to let you kill the rats beyond them and the sites are hard enough for that +10 strength to be something other than grossly overkill. If you add a nullifier onto that covops cloak because of bubbles, you suddenly find that you've slashed your T3's exploration ability - in some cases tremendously. Believe me, the parts of a T3 that people find to be broken are not the exploration-related ones. They're complaining about the nullifier, the command links, the tank a T3 can mount, the enormous DPS provided by the "popular" subsystems.

The irony here is incredible