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Tanesha Kring
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#481 - 2013-10-03 09:06:31 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
Backed Star Citizen and found out my Geforce GT 330M doesn't support DX11 so cant run CryEngine 3 lol Fortunately CoolGuy McNeish shared a way to bypass the DX11 requirement and run the CryEngine 3 using this DX10.1 Warp feature that seems to emulate the hardware required found only in newer DX11 chips. Will definitely have to get a new computer to play the final version.


One of the reasons why i'm not bothered with SC's requirements is that by late 2014, likely my rig will need or will already have got a replacement... Lol

(Anyway, I cna't runt he hanga rmodule, and shall check it when I feel like messing with software again... I really hate it when computers just decide to don't do what they are supposed to do)


I haven't had any issues with the hanger. My current build has a gtx 670 so no problems there, so far. Even if I was using a hi-end system I would still expect some issues when the arena module comes out since it will likely be a couple weeks before things get optimized and some early bug fixes come out. If all you have to do is throw a low-midrange vc in I would suggest doing that before doing an alpha with new shinny wares you don't want to wreck.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#482 - 2013-10-03 15:24:58 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

One of the reasons why i'm not bothered with SC's requirements is that by late 2014, likely my rig will need or will already have got a replacement... Lol

(Anyway, I can't run the hangar module, and shall check it when I feel like messing with software again... I really hate it when computers just decide to don't do what they are supposed to do)


Yeah I hear you, just like CoolGuy McNeish wrote there, this is a risky thing to do, may cause your card to overheat, pop bugs or crashes in the software, do it at your own risk.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#483 - 2013-10-05 03:16:04 UTC
selket Shihari
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#484 - 2013-10-05 23:49:31 UTC
Victor Dathar wrote:
Oh I know the answer:

EVE is real
Star Citizen is another Kickstarter trainwreck

What do I win?


you win a cookie.

When life gives you lemons...BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#485 - 2013-10-11 00:16:30 UTC
Competition leads to innovation

Star Citizen is the best thing to happen to EVE in a long time. CCP had better wake up because they will lose subs once SC launches – it’s just a matter of how many - UNLESS they innovate.

RIght now, EVE ins Blockbuster Video, at it's prime. Star Citizen is Netflix. We all know what happened. Companies that dont innovate eventually get passed by companies that do.

I know that the core of the games are different and its like comparing apples to oranges, but they have a ton in common.

Both sci fi

Both space based

Both have markets

Both are MMORPG’s

The lack of a direct competitor to EVE is hurting development. “Expansions” are really glorified patches, Walking in Stations is crap and we still have essentially the same UI that we’ve had for years, just with a few additions here and there.

It’s no coincidence that CCP is working on EVE Valkyrie, a first person shooter space game.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#486 - 2013-10-11 00:19:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Anyone can make a lot of promises. Delivering on them is harder.


lol thats what Blockbuster, Myspace, Nintendo, Microsoft, Yahoo, AOL all said - now look at them. Passed by others in there Industry.

CCP cant afford to sit on their hands and not do anything. They'd better wake up.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
voetius
Grundrisse
#487 - 2013-10-11 11:02:05 UTC

A bit of competition for CCP would be good. Interesting article here that has given me a bit more respect for Roberts

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/200998/chris_roberts_on_star_citizen_.php?page=2

"A lot of the time, you can spend time on a feature and then when you launch the game, and people aren't using that feature, and they're using another feature you hardly spent any time on," says Roberts. Not so with Star Citizen. "Getting them involved so early allows us, especially in a sandbox game, to always do a reality check."


The team launched a survey soon after the initial crowdfunding boost to find out what players wanted to do in-game. The results surprised Roberts. "We had all of these things, like bounty hunter, mercenary, pirate, merchant, explorer. And I was shocked that 67 percent of the people said that they wanted to be an explorer."
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#488 - 2013-10-11 20:21:46 UTC
New SC contest: design a starship from scrap to ingame build and earn 30,000 USD.

Details: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/contest/the-next-great-starship

Summary: CIG is going to pick 16 teams, 3 persons each, and will ask them to fulfill a series of tasks along the process that starts with a concept ship and ends with it being added to Star Citiizen. On top of the glory of having the ship added ingame and delivered to them for free, winners will get 30,000 USD and a juicy package of goodies:

$30,000 in cash for the team members.
+ Their Starship will be included in Star Citizen and each team member will receive the first production models
+ An Autodesk Entertainment Creation Suite
+ Maya Premium
+ A high-end AMD based system with Radeon R9 290X for each team member.

They haven't commented wether the winners will get too an outdated reskinned rare ship, though.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Frying Doom
#489 - 2013-10-13 09:46:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Malcanis wrote:
Go watch Seagull's keynote presentation from this year's fanfest and tell me there's no passion there, I DARE you.

I think after so many years and so many promises, people really don't care about yet another road map and yet another set of promises.

Yes it is someone different spewing out another idea of what EvE will become but frankly it sounds the same as all the rest and there have been so many I could not even name them all so I will just state the last big one

The team that will be doing modular POSs have to finish Crime Watch first as it is the same team. They finish Crime Watch and low and behold no modular POSs as CCP changed its mind again.

The only certainty about CCP is that there is no certainty, as they will probably just change their mind again.

So I for one am looking forward to Star Citizen and even if it turned into vaporware, it still means Chris Roberts will have broken less promises than CCP.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#490 - 2013-10-13 11:13:02 UTC
They just hit 22 million & announced public tranportation systems for people & items if they reach 24 million. Also i've heard something about fish tanks and buggy tracks(!) at Hangar module? Shocked

(Get to make that module work ASAP, cursed DirectX! Evil )

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#491 - 2013-10-13 13:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
Frying Doom wrote:
So I for one am looking forward to Star Citizen and even if it turned into vaporware, it still means Chris Roberts will have broken less promises than CCP.


What the actual **** is that supposed to mean? That if Chris Roberts breaks all of his promises and never delivers Star Citizen to a pretty substantial audience, he is somehow still a better person in comparison to a corporate entity like CCP?

Are you out of your ******* mind?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Frying Doom
#492 - 2013-10-13 14:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Alpheias wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So I for one am looking forward to Star Citizen and even if it turned into vaporware, it still means Chris Roberts will have broken less promises than CCP.


What the actual **** is that supposed to mean? That if Chris Roberts breaks all of his promises and never delivers Star Citizen to a pretty substantial audience, he is somehow still a better person in comparison to a corporate entity like CCP?

Are you out of your ******* mind?

No I was using exaggeration to highlight the number of promises broken by CCP over the years.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#493 - 2013-10-14 01:23:44 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So I for one am looking forward to Star Citizen and even if it turned into vaporware, it still means Chris Roberts will have broken less promises than CCP.


What the actual **** is that supposed to mean? That if Chris Roberts breaks all of his promises and never delivers Star Citizen to a pretty substantial audience, he is somehow still a better person in comparison to a corporate entity like CCP?

Are you out of your ******* mind?

No I was using exaggeration to hilight the number of promises broken by CCP over the years.



I second that opinion being that i have been a subscriber of Eve online since the game launched......There's been so many broken promises and delays that i simply don't believe anyone at CCP anymore, no matter who it is or where the anouncement is made.
Augin Soric
EVE University
Ivy League
#494 - 2013-10-14 01:36:58 UTC
Being a long-standing fan of both Eve and Robert's games I don't really see how they directly compete. Sure they have similar overall features like economies, exploration, open worlds, persistent characters etc but the style of gameplay is very different, it's like comparing Quake to Counterstrike. We don't play Eve just because it has the features it does, we play Eve because of how they work together.

Another RSI game, Freelancer's MP was doing well for itself for a good many years but wasn't competing with eve for players in the slightest despite the similar broad features. Besides, you can't fly Eve's ships with a joystick, but I also doubt that SC will have the complexity of community that Eve has.

Valkyrie vs SC, on the other hand....

But like others have said, competition is not just a game of all-kill, it's also a motivational force.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#495 - 2013-10-14 07:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Augin Soric wrote:
Being a long-standing fan of both Eve and Robert's games I don't really see how they directly compete. Sure they have similar overall features like economies, exploration, open worlds, persistent characters etc but the style of gameplay is very different, it's like comparing Quake to Counterstrike. We don't play Eve just because it has the features it does, we play Eve because of how they work together.

Another RSI game, Freelancer's MP was doing well for itself for a good many years but wasn't competing with eve for players in the slightest despite the similar broad features. Besides, you can't fly Eve's ships with a joystick, but I also doubt that SC will have the complexity of community that Eve has.

Valkyrie vs SC, on the other hand....

But like others have said, competition is not just a game of all-kill, it's also a motivational force.


They compete as in "play EVE or f*** yourself" vs "play EVE or Star Citizen", where EVE is a kind of game nobody played before and SC is the kind of game almost everyone who plays EVE played before.

EVE has had the rare privilege of not having any serious competition for 10 years, but now everyone who ever played EVE because there were no online games like Elite - Privateer - Freelancer - X series, will have a chance to play what they used to play rather than keep coping with EVE's quirks.

Point in case, Star Ctiizen already haves 273,860 unique users, which likely are more users than EVE has had ever. 500,000 subscriptions do not equal to 500,000 users in a game where multiple accounts are the rule. And now mind it... Star Citizen is not even released yet.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#496 - 2013-10-14 12:49:42 UTC
I looked at the Star Citizen forums a few days ago and it seems there is a pretty good hatred towards Eve players. That kind of put me off.

Also I do agree that Star Citizen does and will have a much larger user base then EVE will ever have. In my eyes Star Citizen is appealing to a larger audience then EVE. With shiny graphics, Twitch based, and less of a PVP focus being the big draws to the game.

-k8

My Fanclub
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#497 - 2013-10-14 13:14:58 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
I looked at the Star Citizen forums a few days ago and it seems there is a pretty good hatred towards Eve players. That kind of put me off.

Also I do agree that Star Citizen does and will have a much larger user base then EVE will ever have. In my eyes Star Citizen is appealing to a larger audience then EVE. With shiny graphics, Twitch based, and less of a PVP focus being the big draws to the game.


Well, many EVE players present at the SC forums are not exactly ambassadors of good will... Lol

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#498 - 2013-10-14 15:07:41 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:
I looked at the Star Citizen forums a few days ago and it seems there is a pretty good hatred towards Eve players. That kind of put me off.

Also I do agree that Star Citizen does and will have a much larger user base then EVE will ever have. In my eyes Star Citizen is appealing to a larger audience then EVE. With shiny graphics, Twitch based, and less of a PVP focus being the big draws to the game.


Well, many EVE players present at the SC forums are not exactly ambassadors of good will... Lol



Damn the general eve player reputation all to hell. Evil


I'm still on the fence about Star Citizen. I have not seen enough about the general gameplay to determine if I would like it or not. I tread lightly on pre-release stuff these days.

-k8

My Fanclub
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#499 - 2013-10-14 18:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
digitalwanderer wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So I for one am looking forward to Star Citizen and even if it turned into vaporware, it still means Chris Roberts will have broken less promises than CCP.


What the actual **** is that supposed to mean? That if Chris Roberts breaks all of his promises and never delivers Star Citizen to a pretty substantial audience, he is somehow still a better person in comparison to a corporate entity like CCP?

Are you out of your ******* mind?

No I was using exaggeration to hilight the number of promises broken by CCP over the years.



I second that opinion being that i have been a subscriber of Eve online since the game launched......There's been so many broken promises and delays that i simply don't believe anyone at CCP anymore, no matter who it is or where the anouncement is made.


As for "broken promises", I'm more inclined to think that most of them didn't become reality because of development hell or they just aimed too high (which CCP is really good at) for the current tech level. I have yet to see CCP break a "promise" just "because".

Though for someone that doesn't believe in anyone at CCP, you certainly are lingering around so let me make it easy for you: contract me your stuff and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#500 - 2013-10-14 18:53:12 UTC
While I sincerely hope Star Citizen will be a success, I'm not that interested in it myself. It's crowdfunding I want, not this particular game.

There's already some promising M-rated RPG's in develpment that would never happen through publishers who want lame, toned-down games that can be sold to children for extra profit.

Anyway, star citizen... it's not a single shard universe so it doesn't really compare with EVE. It could still be an excellent game, it's just not going to have the same depth as EVE simply because there isn't a hundred other people buzzing around every corner.