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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#21 - 2013-10-02 16:51:07 UTC
Pliskkenn wrote:
I don't know why but I was secretly hoping for Rocket Claw, but I guess the manufacturer doesn't match.


So change the manufacturer.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2013-10-02 16:51:26 UTC
For once you didn't try to fix what was not broken, the Gallente ceptors <3

The slight increase in lock range is perfect, short lock range is what prevents these ships from becoming easymode pwnfrigs that anyone can fly and win.

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Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-10-02 16:52:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Zilero
Capqu wrote:
more lock range fozzie PLEASE for REAL

they have a 36k+ point
they go 6kms
it takes at least 2 seconds to lock and point due to server ticks
how can u ship them without 50k lock after skills

please dont make us fit 2 ionics for another 10 years, +2.5km is not enough for stiletto
you realise everyone is gonna just fly crows now instead of stilettos, because its the only tackle one with 4 mids and reasonable lock range. this doesnt fix anything it just shifts the problem



This.

You just exchanged the stiletto for the crow in all fleets solely due to its longer lock range.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#24 - 2013-10-02 16:53:14 UTC
Zilero wrote:
Capqu wrote:
more lock range fozzie PLEASE for REAL

they have a 36k+ point
they go 6kms
it takes at least 2 seconds to lock and point due to server ticks
how can u ship them without 50k lock after skills

please dont make us fit 2 ionics for another 10 years, +2.5km is not enough for stiletto
you realise everyone is gonna just fly crows now instead of stilettos, because its the only tackle one with 4 mids and reasonable lock range. this doesnt fix anything it just shifts the problem



This.

You just exchanged the stiletto for the claw in all fleets solely due to its longer lock range.



Crow, not claw, Claw is still bad
Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-10-02 16:54:45 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Zilero wrote:
Capqu wrote:
more lock range fozzie PLEASE for REAL

they have a 36k+ point
they go 6kms
it takes at least 2 seconds to lock and point due to server ticks
how can u ship them without 50k lock after skills

please dont make us fit 2 ionics for another 10 years, +2.5km is not enough for stiletto
you realise everyone is gonna just fly crows now instead of stilettos, because its the only tackle one with 4 mids and reasonable lock range. this doesnt fix anything it just shifts the problem



This.

You just exchanged the stiletto for the claw in all fleets solely due to its longer lock range.



Crow, not claw, Claw is still bad


I sneaked in an edit :D
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2013-10-02 16:54:45 UTC
Roime wrote:

easymode pwnfrigs that anyone can fly and win.


Pretty sure that's exactly what light missile kiting frigs are, particularly those with infinite cap and 4+ mids.
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#27 - 2013-10-02 16:55:23 UTC
I'd love it if I could actually use interceptors.

Sadly however I am -10.0 and cannot ever use an interceptor to catch enemy fleets (which are always on gates/stations), because gateguns will blap me, and fozzie doesn't care because he is not a pirate.

my 0.02 isk.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#28 - 2013-10-02 16:58:53 UTC
Helicity Boson wrote:
I'd love it if I could actually use interceptors.

Sadly however I am -10.0 and cannot ever use an interceptor to catch enemy fleets (which are always on gates/stations), because gateguns will blap me, and fozzie doesn't care because he is not a pirate.

my 0.02 isk.



You can fit a 4 low malediction with like 17k ehp.
Naomi Anthar
#29 - 2013-10-02 16:59:33 UTC
I cannot believe you are all that bad that you don't complain about crusader.

If you think that crusader or claw (same story) will suddenly be good just with better fittings then go play Chivalry online.

Homogenization is problem , but in this case - interceptors. There is no problem. THEY NEED 3 mids at least. EOT.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#30 - 2013-10-02 17:00:28 UTC
Crusader is ok with 2 mids because of how lasers work. The claw does not have lasers.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-10-02 17:01:10 UTC
Helicity Boson wrote:
I'd love it if I could actually use interceptors.

Sadly however I am -10.0 and cannot ever use an interceptor to catch enemy fleets (which are always on gates/stations), because gateguns will blap me, and fozzie doesn't care because he is not a pirate.

my 0.02 isk.




The gun are there for a reason.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad
#32 - 2013-10-02 17:02:25 UTC
It's all about

CoolCoolCoolMR CROWCoolCoolCool

PIZZA CEO
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#33 - 2013-10-02 17:04:49 UTC
a little disappointed by the decision to keep the combat and fleet versions... not sure how it helps either and what the point is?

Roden shipyards should be exclusively missiles ... it starts looking more like minnie fleet ships otherwise and dilutes the flavour of Roden shipyards.. and what will be the difference between Roden and Duvolle at that point???

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Peaceful Surrender
Half Empty
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#34 - 2013-10-02 17:05:15 UTC
Junko Sideswipe wrote:
It's all about

CoolCoolCoolMR CROWCoolCoolCool

I for one welcome our new MR CROW overlord. I was bored of Stilettos anyway.

I wonder what Bubanni will do.
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-10-02 17:07:09 UTC
Lock range. Interceptors need more of it.
Naomi Anthar
#36 - 2013-10-02 17:07:33 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Crusader is ok with 2 mids because of how lasers work. The claw does not have lasers.


You are bad. And you should feel bad. And how lasers work ? That if you orbit coercer that got 50% tracking bonus with web and scram it cannot hit frig even with downgraded guns with perfect tracking skills and 3% tracking implant. And no you dont even need td.

The only way for laser boat to work WITHOUT 3rd mid is optimal range bonus and kite outside of web / scram range with scorch.

Imagine slicer without optimal bonus or retribution or coercer.

Damn dude you are terrible at this game.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-10-02 17:08:27 UTC
Looks good, most will function better with the fitting space and they'll have to give up something to get max range, or fly really well if they don't want to make that sacrafice

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Aiseth Devona
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-10-02 17:09:08 UTC
What did they forget to install radars into them and now we have to establish locks by line of sight out the windows?

I have a t2 Disruptor that works OH at nearly 30km. I don't want to have to train my all to be falcon pilot AND off grid booster Loki. Otherwise I like the changes.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#39 - 2013-10-02 17:10:03 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Crusader is ok with 2 mids because of how lasers work. The claw does not have lasers.

I don't get how this changes anything. If you mean that it can get by on a scram with scram kiting... doesn't work without a web! If you mean it can brawl, you're completely wrong (poor pulse tracking, low EHP of ceptors, low DPS of pulses compared to other brawling weapons, lack of web to help the guns track). But perhaps you mean it can beam kite. Well sure, it can, but if you're just going to keep range, you'll just use the Slicer and Pulses and get more DPS and better tracking thanks to Pulses.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#40 - 2013-10-02 17:14:35 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

CRUSADER - The Crusader's changes mainly revolve around fittings. Lots more fitting room allows a lot of options for more damage and tank. We're shaving a bit of HP off the top but the Crusader remains one of the beefiest interceptors (for all that's worth).

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MALEDICTION - Big change for the Malediction is moving one highslot to a low, providing a lot more options for either damage mods, tank or fitting mods. The rocket damage bonus is also being converted to small missile RoF, increasing dps slightly and allowing the effective use of light missiles. A bit of HP shifted to armor allows it to more easily take advantage of the resist bonus.


This is the most disappointing news I've seen to date. The Crusader's problem is that small pulse doesn't have enough range to be really useful without a utility high for a nos. Then you go and kill the utility high (for a nos) from the Malediction too. Seriously man, why do you ******* hate utility highs?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.