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Alphax45v2
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-10-02 15:41:01 UTC
:( @ the 2/4/4 on the frig; needs more highs for pew pew and cloak/probe. 4/4/4 would be great!
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-10-02 15:41:56 UTC
The laser cap bonus is kind of an arbitrary bonus, without a damage or tracking bonus it will be neglected for what ever the pilots favored weapon will be. Usually autocannons.

The 37.5% scan bonus is a perfect fit as is the +5 to virus strength.

I'm not liking the 5/5/5 slot layout, a 4/5/6 would optimize the ship for exploration. Or better a 5/4/6.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#43 - 2013-10-02 15:44:42 UTC
5 Sentry drones? Awesome!

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:
Can you jumps these via covert jump portals? Don't care about cyno.


I also want to know that. I guess it should work?

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Naomi Anthar
#44 - 2013-10-02 15:45:03 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Please,if you can't increase the virus strength to match covert ops, let the covert ops skill add the other 5% i would hate not to be able to use this and forced to use covert ops instead. This is sisters of eve! They are meant to be good at scanning and exploration!


I second that ... faction ship may have bigger bonus than standard t1 even if it is not T2. (just to mention 25% bonus energy turret on augoror/slicer etc)
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#45 - 2013-10-02 15:47:15 UTC
Alphax45v2 wrote:
:( @ the 2/4/4 on the frig; needs more highs for pew pew and cloak/probe. 4/4/4 would be great!


All the bad frigates have utility highslots. Mids and lows are far better.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-10-02 15:47:17 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
The laser cap bonus is kind of an arbitrary bonus, without a damage or tracking bonus it will be neglected for what ever the pilots favored weapon will be. Usually autocannons.

The 37.5% scan bonus is a perfect fit as is the +5 to virus strength.

I'm not liking the 5/5/5 slot layout, a 4/5/6 would optimize the ship for exploration. Or better a 5/4/6.



not if you are smart and do not need to select damage types. Pulses have far better damage projection than AC, specially with scorch.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Satori Sartori
All-Out
White Stag Exit Bag
#47 - 2013-10-02 15:47:52 UTC
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most people would fit another weapon system over lasers, due to the low number of slots and the lack of a damage/tracking bonus. The capacitor bonus by itself basically says 'if this wasn't here, no one would consider lasers, but since it's there, the thought might pass through your mind and then you'll dismiss it and fit *fotm weapon system*/neuts' and I feel it isn't enough to warrant laser usage. I think it's a handy bonus to have on a laser-using ship, but first you have to actually make the Stratios an attractive laser platform. A range or a small damage bonus might be interesting, either in addition to the capacitor use bonus or in a different combination.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#48 - 2013-10-02 15:50:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
Can you confirm that these both have t1 resistance profiles?

Edit: You said gallente resists - is that HAC resists, or just the +10% kinetic armor resist?
Hosedna
FumbleFamily Corp
#49 - 2013-10-02 15:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hosedna
Funny, I was expecting something more faction neutral, like the Gnosis, where you can choose pretty much what weapons system you want. Could've been interesting. And since there is no role bonus anyway on dmg or projection, most people will end up fitting autocannons ! So ... What about removing the laser capa bonus, and replacing it either by a bonus for each weapon system (and add 2 missiles points), or replacing it by another exploration bonus, and letting us choose our weapons ?
Naomi Anthar
#50 - 2013-10-02 15:52:52 UTC
Grarr Dexx wrote:
More bandwidth on a cruiser than on any battleship? Are the rest of the pirate factions going to be following this design trend? This is just better than the Gila in every way.


You may be correct ... but pirate ships are before balance pass. So this Gila may be diffrent from new Gila.
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#51 - 2013-10-02 15:54:12 UTC
Was considering optimal bonus instead of cap use. Maybe can continue to consider that. We didn't want to do damage bonus in the role bonus because then you would have like 900 dps covert cloaking cruiser which is way too much. Optimal might work though.

@ccp_rise
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#52 - 2013-10-02 15:54:37 UTC
woot!!!
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#53 - 2013-10-02 15:54:41 UTC
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Grarr Dexx wrote:
More bandwidth on a cruiser than on any battleship? Are the rest of the pirate factions going to be following this design trend? This is just better than the Gila in every way.


You may be correct ... but pirate ships are before balance pass. So this Gila may be diffrent from new Gila.


Confirming new Gila will be different and hopefully very cool.

@ccp_rise
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#54 - 2013-10-02 15:55:11 UTC
And yes, you can use covert portals.

@ccp_rise
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#55 - 2013-10-02 15:56:49 UTC
Naomi Anthar wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Please,if you can't increase the virus strength to match covert ops, let the covert ops skill add the other 5% i would hate not to be able to use this and forced to use covert ops instead. This is sisters of eve! They are meant to be good at scanning and exploration!


I second that ... faction ship may have bigger bonus than standard t1 even if it is not T2. (just to mention 25% bonus energy turret on augoror/slicer etc)


Thank you, well put, this is so much more than just another T1 Frigate, after all S.O.E pirate faction are explorers!
With teeth in the cruiser, I so want to fly that ship.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-10-02 15:57:13 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Was considering optimal bonus instead of cap use. Maybe can continue to consider that. We didn't want to do damage bonus in the role bonus because then you would have like 900 dps covert cloaking cruiser which is way too much. Optimal might work though.

I think you should change it to a 50% cloak CPU reduction. Without a bonus it leaves the ship with 300 CPU and that is T1 cruiser levels. The lowest CPU a pirate faction cruiser has is 350.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-10-02 15:57:34 UTC
Hosedna wrote:
Funny, I was expecting something more faction neutral, like the Gnosis, where you can choose pretty much what weapons system you want. Could've been interesting. And since there is no role bonus anyway on dmg or projection, most people will end up fitting autocannons ! So ... What about removing the laser capa bonus, and replacing it either by a bonus for each weapon system (and add 2 missiles points), or replacing it by another exploration bonus, and letting us choose our weapons ?



always amazes me how people liek to fit the weakest weapon system on this condition. AC have less dps than ANY weapon system, that is because minmatar ships have the ROF bonuses (strogner than damage ones). Lasers and blasters are far stronger when unbonused.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#58 - 2013-10-02 15:58:22 UTC
On the cpu issue: I think the ship is so cpu limited, that people will be forced into fitting autocannons instead of lasers, particularly if you want to hunt ratters in it (cloak + combat probes is already most of your cpu)
Satori Sartori
All-Out
White Stag Exit Bag
#59 - 2013-10-02 15:58:23 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Was considering optimal bonus instead of cap use. Maybe can continue to consider that. We didn't want to do damage bonus in the role bonus because then you would have like 900 dps covert cloaking cruiser which is way too much. Optimal might work though.



Good point on the DPS issue. An optimal bonus probably wouldn't make the damage of unbonused turrets overpowering, and it would work in harmony with drone usage (sniping in tandem with sentries and so on).
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-10-02 15:58:27 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Grarr Dexx wrote:
More bandwidth on a cruiser than on any battleship? Are the rest of the pirate factions going to be following this design trend? This is just better than the Gila in every way.


You may be correct ... but pirate ships are before balance pass. So this Gila may be diffrent from new Gila.


Confirming new Gila will be different and hopefully very cool.



Can I ask somethign...? you intend to visit the recons before or after the pirate ships?

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"