Player Features and Ideas Discussion

what i find weird is that you already boost the paladin's capacitor by ~40% (2375/5625) but still you keep the godawful capacitor amount bonus. Please replace it with a tracking bonus so it comes inline with all the other marauders.

Paladin:
capacitor amount bonus
Dmg + optimal range bonus
Armor boost bonus


Golem:
missile velocity + explosion velocity + TP effectiveness bonus
Shield boost bonus


Kronos:
Dmg + falloff + tracking bonus
Armor boost bonus


Vargur:
RoF + falloff + tracking bonus
Shield boost bonus

All marauders have a range + tracking + damage or rof + a tanking bonus save for the paladin that has only a range and dmg bonus, but no tracking bonus on a ship that tracks already horribly compared to other weapon systems. The only compensating factor to this before the rebalance was the web velocity factor bonus , but it has been stripped away.

The golem gets no damage bonus , but it gets a double damage application bonus (yes TP effectivenes can be counted as a dmg application bonus), wich is another pet peeve of mine

While that's not low tank, it seems kinda low considering bastion.

It that a perma tank with standard large rep or what?

Cause I can fit a golem currently with 960 dps tank at its weakest resist with an XL pith x.
Granted, with a cap booster it only lasts for 4 minutes, but still...

I would think bastion gives another 100% to boost amount.. So that's at least another 500 dps... Then the additional resists from bastion... I would think upwards of 2k dps tank at my weakest resists...

Base hulls were nerfed unnecessarily, but there's no way that anyone can honestly say that marauders will be worse after iteration 1 than they are now....


Marauders are currently the least used ships in pve, even amongst high SP players.


Sure, this change won't go directly towards pvp, but it helps... At least they'll have some pvp capability.
On live right now, the only pvp capability they actually have is A.T....

I like this version more. Repair bonus is much better on these ships and if someone wants to use a web, he can still use it, just not with any bonus. And like you said, to kill frigs or drones, your ship has drones. A web bonus looks for me more like "You get a web bonus... now use that damn thing".

So plz. Go with this first version.

Not sure where you got a 400dps increase, the example above was a 750dps increase FROM a 400dps omni. My math comes to a ~185% increase in tank (if correct) compared to current, so apply that to whatever your current tank is.

This was based on my paladin so the 30% (I'm only at marauder IV) was already included.

The jump range of a acceleration gate is 2500m, again pls try it before you suggest it. You want to move around in most L4 missions, because it increases the dps, you don't want to MJD around because it deceases applied dps. The cap is not enough to run tachs and active tank under neuts, I even use a med rep for L4, since the large one doesn't add much tank by the rather limited runtime(also for fitting reasons).

Active tanked marauders would be horrible for Incs because it gimps the dps and utility(both armor and shield marauders can one slot tank VGs). Logis can also add a lot of tracking/range to the fleet and beyond VGs the tank is not sufficient to keep you alive(nor is the static game play useful for assaults or bigger sites since they contain movement for all ships and you can't mjd yourself out of logi range).

I never used active armor tank rigs on any marauder because of the high calibration cost. You throw away the opportunity to capitalize T2 damage rigs and you need to be on cap booster live support(what is terrible in WHs). RR and extra cap with a logi is just a lot more effective(again all the changes are completely useless in RR environments). Also you want to use sentry's, not light drones, not because light drones can pop(what they do from time to time, if you actually use some) but because light drones vs frigs is horrible ineffective compared to utilizing 90% webbing.

There was a lot of fuss and crying about the first iteration, although it is a neat new toy. CCP wanted to get most of us to see how cool it was, but had to find a way to do so. Enter the terrible, terrible things they said they might do.

I like the little joke here. I can't find a link right now but I remember the story from high school about Caesar's marching orders. He needed his troops to march 1.5x (let x be their original speed) so he ordered them to march 2x for awhile. This was so they would love him when he let them slow down to 1.5x, instead of just despising him for ordering them to march 1.5x in the first place. Caesar expansion, Caesar mind game. Alea iacta est.

Nicely done CCP. I mean it.

Edit: Auto-correct was incorrect

Actually the kronos was nerfed the most considering its web bonus is what made the ship useful. It already gets jammed out in a heart beat so now if its tank is failing you start bastion.... then the target burns out of your normal web.... End of story. The blasters needed the 90% web and now the ship is worthless. Would rather use a mega now.

There is less pvp capability with these ships. Only a fool will die to a ship that can't move.

While I do like iteration 1 over iteration 2, I found many of the ideas presented in this thread to be better. The biggest thing I don't like is the loss of already terrible damage - CCP has to be completely ignoring the stats on their rebalanced t1 battleships (as per my previous post) to justify reducing the already bad damage output that Marauders can field. People have babbled on here a lot about how higher damage projection means higher damage, but anyone who has flown a Maelstrom knows that it regularly lands shots with 1400mm *higher* than it's rated alpha striking potential - that's perfect projection, and more projection ability on a marauder isn't going to change the fact that, post-change, a Vargur will only field 1148 Maximum DPS with Faction Ammunition and Damage Mods while a Maelstrom fields 1251 with t2 damage mods.

125-150m3 drone bays with 100-125 bandwidth would allow some sentry or heavy drones to be fit, complimenting the stationary-inducing bastion module, not imposing too much on pirate faction BS territory in incursions (even if sentries became meta in incursions, PFBS would still out-dps marauders), allow a few options for fittings without any significant role modification (no drone bonuses), and appropriately balance marauder damage output with t1 battleships.

I suppose I'll stop posting now. There has been a heck of a lot of effort put forth by the playerbase in this thread - but it seems absolutely none of it has been taken into consideration in this "final" option. I don't intend to sound offensive here CCP, but I honestly do not know if any of our feedback was even read.

According to his logic the blasters still won't work so you would just lose 10 hulls for the cost of one. If drones are the deciding factor why not sidestep the whole blaster thing and get a domi. And since the Vindicator does and still will continue to do the job better for not too much more, why shoehorn the kronos into the same role.