Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I made no references to what I do in real life. Could you quote where you think I did that? Really, I'm completely at a loss here.

Is this some sort of deep philosophical thing? In real life I'm playing Eve, and if I reference that while playing Eve, I'm some how making a real life reference and therefore nullifying my argument or something? Have I become Schrödinger's cat or something?

That's hilarious.

Post modernism in Eve Online.

NightmareX, you have contradicted yourself and completely misunderstood the statements by CCP to such a level I simply cannot think of a way to respond. CCP make a point of it involving someone "devoting much of their time", but you claim they dedicate zero effort, CCP claim there must be no profit in it, you claim they are gaining advantages (kills, interfering with an enemies resources, whatever)... I do not even need to say anything, since you destroy your own argument at every turn

Flame up!

CCP have to be much precise - as if someone doing this then he always have some 'benefit' even for most stupid and worst action.

Lets assume :
This is a game, then using ruptures to kill new players on undock is not grief play , as my targets are random.
It gives me pleasure to watch those noobs die ( so this is my benefit ,hell this is a game and i play for fun ).
And im not baiting in the way CCP stated in the definition in grief play.
I just kill random ships - so im doing what eve is made for.

http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=336


So if killing those pity nooooobs is not a grief play then how using a cloaked char sitting 23/7 on local in someone 'home sov' cannot be considered a grief play.
He don't do nothing 95% of his time , his job is only to make angry some older noobs flying now carriers - im happy when they cannot play ( thats my benefit) .
His job is to block their ability to effectively do their activities in this system. Rat, mine, pl etc.
( i already have more than 2 accounts, so if i already pay for them, i can spare one to put one or few afk camper (s) in enemy systems)
When i finally check this account i could find someone stupid enough to try to do something in this system.
( i love those people having 2-3 hours a week to play eve. They have to undock and 'do something' )
Oh a ratting carrier, ok now lets check who i can get to kill it - damn every one is offline.
Ok maybe he will do the same next week.

So if killing newbite noobs in higsec is not a grief play - then afk camping some older nooooobs in nullsec cannot be considered a grief play also.
I have my benefit in making their play miserable ( the same way im making their game miserable when i kill their ships ).
My alt also is harmles when cloacked .
If you don't belive me check what CCP did - nothing.
So this is not issue.

I am bad at hot dropping, but im still trying to work on it.
I relay do!
When i finally find a proper anomaly where the guy is murdering innocent pirate ships - he is long gone.
But hell im not a AFK camper, check my killboard - i managed to hot drop something in this system 3 months ago.
And im hunting here 23/7.


And agree - ccp will do nothing about this , or no one from ccp will ever read this topic ;)
So Flame on!

CCP devs are like afk cloakers on this, they are there, they may or may not be watching, but you can't see them and they may do something, but then again, they may not either.

This is slightly out of context by itself.
It was directed at Maximus Aerelius, in an exchange.

It demonstrates a key point, however, that many PvE players are oblivious to the fact that they are not playing a full game, when they have parts of it handed to them for free.

When you use local as intel, you are not playing the game, you are simply WATCHING the game.
You became a spectator.

Now, you can react to something you saw, even though you made no effort to generate this action inspiring information.
You can ALSO react to the listing of a hostile pilot in local, even though they did nothing to inspire that information.

Until you question the source of this information, it seems many have decided to put in effort to make it more effective, rather than ask to have the ability to earn the intel in the first place.

Balance exists.
It is not the responsibility of a cloaked pilot if someone watching a chat channel becomes frightened by something they see there.

Obviously it is an exploit.

It is an effort free way of enhancing the ISK gains of pilots, to the point where they are not playing a complete version of the game.
I specify these aspects:

With local:
1. They do not contact friends or allies for support as often
2. They do not fit ships to overcome hostiles, by force or evasion, as often
3. They become accustomed to the break point it provides, like an addiction. Said break point being the period where a hostile enters, and local advises this information which allows evasion.
3b. The addictive qualities of this effect are demonstrated by the unwillingness to operate without it's aid. Many players seem willing to remain inactive rather than explore alternative options to counter the play tactics being presented.

This is clearly harmful to gameplay, and a means to substitute an effort based alternative to local is clearly needed.
Any free option being available to use as a defense is obviously going to be overused / exploited, as is the case here.