Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Again, you fail totally by understanding what i'm trying to say here. What i'm saying is that it's not about what YOU think about yourself or your cloaked ships, it's about what the other players in that system thinks of you as a threat. The point here is that the other players have to live in danger and fear to someone who might be afk. Why is that?

Why can't the cloaker who are afk feel the danger and the risk to from the others in local by going afk?

Why should everyone else feel the danger and risk and not you just because you are afk in a cloaked ship?

You are supposed to be safe in that ship as long you are active, not when you are afk. That's the point.

Le me ask you this then. Why do you want to be safe in space while being afk?

Yes, i'm asking you the question on when you actually are afk in space. Why can you be safe in space there and nobody else?

Shuldn't it be equal to everyone?

Well if you are in a system with no stations, then you can simply move to another system who have stations then and dock up if you can so you can be safe. If not, you have to find a place to dock up anyways or simply just log off to be safe.

It's very simple. No one in eve should never ever be safe by being afk in space. It's this for everyone else, but not for the cloakers who are afk, why is that?

I'll be honest: I haven't read all 13 pages of this monstrosity before making my reply. I'll go and flog myself later.

It seems like a lot of the pro-AFK-Cloaking crowd are saying that because cloaked ships aren't as powerful as non-cloaked ships in general PvP that there shouldn't be a problem. It may have been said, but I seriously doubt that anyone gives a crap about a single cloaked ship - it's the fleet waiting to jump through the Cyno-Of-Certain-Death attached to that ship they're concerned about. So a cloaked ship being weak in the PvP arena is a pretty feeble argument in my opinion.

On the other hand, the anti-AFK-Cloaking crowd seems to be angry that they have to constantly be looking over their shoulder because Tiny Tim, whom they know is in system somewhere, is cloaked up and could be lighting that cyno any second now. By their own admission, this crowd doesn't have a problem with the cloaker who is in system (regardless of whether or not he's going to cyno up), but rather the one who isn't at his keys. I'm a bit confused as to why this crowd cares about whether or not someone is at the keyboard when the end result could be the same.

Either way, why not satisfy both crowds by simply putting Local chat in delayed mode? The AFK cloakers can do their thing all day long (if that's really their gig, which we all know it isn't). Overnight the AFK cloaking problem will disappear and the only cloaky cyno's the null-bears need fear are the ones that are actually at the keys, which is what they really care about anyway.

So you say the ability for an alert PvE pilot to avoid all hostile contact, is NOT an advantage?
Therefore, cloaking must be some rogue game mechanic CCP randomly decided to inflict on PvE this way.

That is your argument here?

By using the OP's idea with a new ship class. If they are active, then we wont be able to find them and decloak them with the new ship class as they are moving around. If they infact are afk, then we can find the ship and decloak them with the new ship class with some work.

The same thing will ofc apply to any cloaked ships that are afk.

So then to defeat this idea and invalidate your point...all one must do is setup their max orbit distance on a gate or other static object in space and orbit while cloaked forever and go back to doing whatever it was that they were doing (intel gathering, posting on EVE-O, reddit, pron, watching movie, chatting in in-game channels, sending ingame mail, managing orders, manipulating market, using PI interface, etc etc etc etc etc ad nauseum - because you have no idea what they are doing while they are cloaked and you shouldn't - because cloak). Good luck finding a relatively small sphere/cube/vector/whatever in space that is moving at a minimum of ~150m/s that you cannot see.

Right back where you started aren't you?

Me, me, me, me.

If you are going to talk about cloaks, then discussiong cloaks is reasonable.

There is nothing to fix. I am controlling my ship.....as far as you or anyone else, including CCP, knows. I set my cloaked ship to orbit a stationary object 165km away travelling at 450m/s. I, the pilot, am still at my computer. I am not touching my keyboard. I am not AFK as far as anyone knows (now or ever). That's the point you (and others) don't understand.

PERIOD.



AKF Rat/Mine more?
Because if YOU are paying attention and playing the game, YOU won't be caught and killed by any cloaked ship.



I am using the module and ingame navigational tools provided by CCP to pilot my ship in a automatically repeating, neverending orbit around an object CCP placed in space, with a GUI tool CCP provided to all pilots making use of a module CCP developed and which can be utilized by all pilots on all ships with few exceptions. If I choose to orbit an object and then stare at the scenic vista provided by the art team's nebulas I am fully within my right to do so. No one can gainsay that. I am not breaking any rules, violating any ToS, or negatively interacting with any other player(s).

And the best part is I am present at my keyboard, as far as you or anyone else is concerned, going about my business floating in your space cloaked handling my business.

You don't like non-blue people in your sovereign space doing things you don't know about. But you lack the game smarts and intestinal fortitude to do anything at all about it so you choose to "legislate" your desires onto those around you via developer intervention. That's petty and wrong. You're, of course, entitled to do so but that doesn't change the fact that it's a pretty petty attempt at dictating to others how they should play the game.

I accidentally your point.

According to you, there is nothing to fix, because you just don't want to admit it that you are safe with no risks at all and want's to abuse the system for your pleasures while others can't do the same without risks. And now, i'm here to let you know that you are weak if you don't see the things i'm talking about. And i'm also here to support a change to the current cloaking mechanic so we can have a way to actually find and destroy afk cloakers with some work.

And if you let the ship orbit a station at 165 km and still sits at the computer and watch it, you are not afk. You would be able to react pretty much instantly if ***** hits the fan or if you are close to get decloaked by something in space.

You wouldn't be able to do this if you are afk doing something else outside of the computer.

See, you don't see the differences from being afk to be active. Wake up dude.


That's according to the cloaker / you. Not according to the others in system. I'm talking about that the others in the system should be able to find the cloaker IF he's afk and nowhere near his computer. Because he can't prevent his ship from declaking then. You can prevent this if you are active.


You are not afk then. You will alt-tab in and out of EVE to check if you are all fine if you are doing something else on the computer then.

When you leave the computer, you leave the ship to the EVE's functions and not to your own funtions that is you body. See the differences?


I have no problems that i have neutrals or hostiles in my sovereign space. The problem is that i don't have a way or tools to remove the cloaked ship / player from the system if he's afk. Like i have said, if you are afk, you will have high risks of getting decloaked and killed. If you are active with your computer and watches eve, you will most likely don't die as it's YOU who are controlling YOUR ship and not the automaticly EVE funtions.

So you can believe all you want that you accidentally my points.

Your problem is that you don't see the problem that a player like you in a cloaked ship can cause so much fear for someone by not being active at the computer. If you can make that much fear by that, then why shouldn't we be allowed to have a tool to give you some fear if you decide to go afk in space, witch is pretty much the only way we can cause fear to the afk cloakers?