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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#441 - 2013-09-23 13:24:52 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/09/22/eve-evolved-will-star-citizen-or-elite-harm-eve/

While I am not a fan of Brendan, I think he raises some valid points.


The real question is the ratio of "core" players versus "misfit" players.

Being of the later, I think our numbers have been historically underrated and CCP would make a mistake if they give up retaining us as more appealing competitors are released.

But then, we'll learn more as details for the Hallelujah Plan are released. That plan will be supposed to be developed according to human-measuring tools implemented by CCP Seagulls' team... so if it flips the bird at "misfits", then we will be surely told to leave as we please because we are not relevant to CCP's and EVE's interests. Bear


I disagree that "misfit" players as a group has been historically underrated. I believe it is more due to the minor fact that the "misfit" players, such as yourself, never has been relevant because what exactly do you bring to the table other than whinge about how much you want WiS?


Numbers and money... barely anything, just trifles.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#442 - 2013-09-23 14:32:57 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/09/22/eve-evolved-will-star-citizen-or-elite-harm-eve/

While I am not a fan of Brendan, I think he raises some valid points.


The real question is the ratio of "core" players versus "misfit" players.

Being of the later, I think our numbers have been historically underrated and CCP would make a mistake if they give up retaining us as more appealing competitors are released.

But then, we'll learn more as details for the Hallelujah Plan are released. That plan will be supposed to be developed according to human-measuring tools implemented by CCP Seagulls' team... so if it flips the bird at "misfits", then we will be surely told to leave as we please because we are not relevant to CCP's and EVE's interests. Bear


I disagree that "misfit" players as a group has been historically underrated. I believe it is more due to the minor fact that the "misfit" players, such as yourself, never has been relevant because what exactly do you bring to the table other than whinge about how much you want WiS?


Numbers and money... barely anything, just trifles.


Alright. Let us address that then, shall we?

How do you re-introduce very unpopular avatar based element to EVE without pissing off a large portion of your customer base when the current iteration offer little more than buying internet spaceship clothes and is a unfortunate necessity for character portraits?

It is not an easy question and despite that I am not in favor of WiS, I have to give kudos to CCP for thinking really hard how they can bring an avatar based gameplay into EVE and give meaning to it rather than having the characters just stand there and look awkward as they do in your typical theme park MMOs and at the same time, avoid having it turn into a Second Life in Space.

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#443 - 2013-09-23 14:54:32 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Numbers and money... barely anything, just trifles.


numbers and money???!?!?!? but it's eleet peeveepee and statue shooting tantrums that support EVE!!! oh wait lololol nvm
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#444 - 2013-09-23 14:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Alpheias wrote:

I disagree that "misfit" players as a group has been historically underrated. I believe it is more due to the minor fact that the "misfit" players, such as yourself, never has been relevant because what exactly do you bring to the table other than whinge about how much you want WiS?


*handles prozac prescription

Alpheias wrote:
Alright. Let us address that then, shall we?

How do you re-introduce very unpopular avatar based element to EVE without pissing off a large portion of your customer base when the current iteration offer little more than buying internet spaceship clothes and is a unfortunate necessity for character portraits?

It is not an easy question and despite that I am not in favor of WiS, I have to give kudos to CCP for thinking really hard how they can bring an avatar based gameplay into EVE and give meaning to it rather than having the characters just stand there and look awkward as they do in your typical theme park MMOs and at the same time, avoid having it turn into a Second Life in Space.


Avatar gameplay thread is here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&p=1
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#445 - 2013-09-23 16:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
raven666wings wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Alright. Let us address that then, shall we?

How do you re-introduce very unpopular avatar based element to EVE without pissing off a large portion of your customer base when the current iteration offer little more than buying internet spaceship clothes and is a unfortunate necessity for character portraits?

It is not an easy question and despite that I am not in favor of WiS, I have to give kudos to CCP for thinking really hard how they can bring an avatar based gameplay into EVE and give meaning to it rather than having the characters just stand there and look awkward as they do in your typical theme park MMOs and at the same time, avoid having it turn into a Second Life in Space.


*handles prozac prescription

Avatar gameplay thread is here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&p=1


*pops your little imaginary world and welcomes you back to reality

If you had dived into that thread, you will eventually find that Team Avatar no longer exists. CCP lets that thread be because it makes sense from a moderator's point of view to do so. At the same time, CCP keeps the nonsense posted in just one thread.

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#446 - 2013-09-23 17:13:27 UTC
Alpheias wrote:

*pops your little imaginary world and welcomes you back to reality

If you had dived into that thread, you will eventually find that Team Avatar no longer exists. CCP lets that thread be because it makes sense from a moderator's point of view to do so. At the same time, CCP keeps the nonsense posted in just one thread.


Still posting in the wrong thread, discussion about Team Avatar and their work is done here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&p=1
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#447 - 2013-09-23 17:19:31 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Alpheias wrote:

*pops your little imaginary world and welcomes you back to reality

If you had dived into that thread, you will eventually find that Team Avatar no longer exists. CCP lets that thread be because it makes sense from a moderator's point of view to do so. At the same time, CCP keeps the nonsense posted in just one thread.


Still posting in the wrong thread, discussion about Team Avatar and their work is done here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&p=1


I know, I know, accepting reality is difficult for some. For one, it took a fatal fall from his horse and having his brain exposed to the world and air (much needed too, I imagine) to come to terms that the Earth is not the center of the universe.

Team Avatar is no more. Just take your time to accept it.

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#448 - 2013-09-23 17:28:40 UTC
What you seem to be exhibiting right now is more of a depressive OCD nuisance rather than reality lag, hence the prozac prescription.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#449 - 2013-09-23 17:50:06 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
What you seem to be exhibiting right now is more of a depressive OCD nuisance rather than reality lag, hence the prozac prescription.


To have a armchair psychologist like you suggesting something like prozac feels pretty oldschool, almost nostalgic.

I'll be more modest with my offering of help; would a hug help make you accept the death of Team Avatar?

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#450 - 2013-09-23 18:12:45 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Alpheias wrote:

To have a armchair psychologist like you suggesting something like prozac feels pretty oldschool, almost nostalgic.

I'll be more modest with my offering of help; would a hug help make you accept the death of Team Avatar?


If you had taken the medication the chances of writing such things would be diminished by now.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#451 - 2013-09-23 18:31:54 UTC
Decided to pop in this thread to see what comparisons are being made between Eve and CP and all I see are a couple of ninnies crying about their dollies.

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#452 - 2013-09-23 18:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
ninnies crying about their dollies

This isn't even funny!! Cant you see this baby's in a lot of t pain
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#453 - 2013-09-23 19:53:05 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Numbers and money... barely anything, just trifles.


Alright. Let us address that then, shall we?

How do you re-introduce very unpopular (...)


Yes, I recall how Hilmar had to be rescued by security guys from a lynch mob when he suggested "opening the door" at the latest Fanfest...

Oh wait: he was shocked and baffled when a resounding "YES" erupted from the crowd.

That's how unpopular is avatar content. Roll

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#454 - 2013-09-23 21:21:42 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Yes, I recall how Hilmar had to be rescued by security guys from a lynch mob when he suggested "opening the door" at the latest Fanfest...


I remembered this Fanfest moment too yesterday while watching my football team's match, only that here coach Jesus had to fight and defend the fans from angry security guys. The pride of us all.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#455 - 2013-09-23 23:45:42 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Alpheias wrote:

To have a armchair psychologist like you suggesting something like prozac feels pretty oldschool, almost nostalgic.

I'll be more modest with my offering of help; would a hug help make you accept the death of Team Avatar?


If you had taken the medication the chances of writing such things would be diminished by now.


And be more like you, agitated and aggressive? Jim, as your doctor, take something that makes you more mellow instead.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Numbers and money... barely anything, just trifles.


Alright. Let us address that then, shall we?

How do you re-introduce very unpopular (...)


Yes, I recall how Hilmar had to be rescued by security guys from a lynch mob when he suggested "opening the door" at the latest Fanfest...

Oh wait: he was shocked and baffled when a resounding "YES" erupted from the crowd.

That's how unpopular is avatar content. Roll


We recall it very differently then, I recall Hilmar asking the question if audience if they wanted that door to open and what he got was a yes.

As I said previously, I am not in favor of WiS because of the debacles that spurred before and after Incarna was launched which I think is the general consensus amongst us who doesn't want WiS and I also think that is a very fair because it was devastating for CCP and while I don't know about you, I don't want to see CCP go through that again.

That said, if CCP can and only if they can, should they re-introduce it? It really all depends on how they intend to go with the human element and if they can do it without having a Second Life in Space.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#456 - 2013-09-24 00:52:04 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Alpheias wrote:

We recall it very differently then, I recall Hilmar asking the question if audience if they wanted that door to open and what he got was a yes.

As I said previously, I am not in favor of WiS because of the debacles that spurred before and after Incarna was launched which I think is the general consensus amongst us who doesn't want WiS and I also think that is a very fair because it was devastating for CCP and while I don't know about you, I don't want to see CCP go through that again.

That said, if CCP can and only if they can, should they re-introduce it? It really all depends on how they intend to go with the human element and if they can do it without having a Second Life in Space.


Ok we understood you are concerned about the WiS issue. I know this can be distressful for you... but please take a deep breath and have a glass of water (possibly accompained by this pill). Feeling better? Ok here's the WiS thread again, where the matters of WiS are discussed https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&p=100
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#457 - 2013-09-24 09:00:27 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
We recall it very differently then, I recall Hilmar asking the question if audience if they wanted that door to open and what he got was a yes.

As I said previously, I am not in favor of WiS because of the debacles that spurred before and after Incarna was launched which I think is the general consensus amongst us who doesn't want WiS and I also think that is a very fair because it was devastating for CCP and while I don't know about you, I don't want to see CCP go through that again.

That said, if CCP can and only if they can, should they re-introduce it? It really all depends on how they intend to go with the human element and if they can do it without having a Second Life in Space.


I'll just point you at the WiS thread; everything you say has been adressed many times there.

The latest news are that CCP's top brass have made their minds to not develop avatars as a part of EVE but as a separate game which they would like to develop sometime... just that's not official and likely will never be official because they are aware of the consequences.

WiS is essentially braindead, and this means that EVE will never be a complete SF simulator, rather it will remain as a spaceships & spreadsheets simulator.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#458 - 2013-09-24 13:00:22 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
We recall it very differently then, I recall Hilmar asking the question if audience if they wanted that door to open and what he got was a yes.

As I said previously, I am not in favor of WiS because of the debacles that spurred before and after Incarna was launched which I think is the general consensus amongst us who doesn't want WiS and I also think that is a very fair because it was devastating for CCP and while I don't know about you, I don't want to see CCP go through that again.

That said, if CCP can and only if they can, should they re-introduce it? It really all depends on how they intend to go with the human element and if they can do it without having a Second Life in Space.


I'll just point you at the WiS thread; everything you say has been adressed many times there.

The latest news are that CCP's top brass have made their minds to not develop avatars as a part of EVE but as a separate game which they would like to develop sometime... just that's not official and likely will never be official because they are aware of the consequences.

WiS is essentially braindead, and this means that EVE will never be a complete SF simulator, rather it will remain as a spaceships & spreadsheets simulator.


I don't think simulator means what you think it means. The only thing 'EVE' that even comes close to being a simulator is EVE Valkyrie.

While internet spaceship spreadsheets are important, glorious things like the Alliance Tournament or battles like Asakai is what makes the headlines. Not your desire to play with your internet doll but there is always Second Life for you and I am sure there is someone, like you, butthurt that has made an Incarna-esque sim.

Now that you know that WiS is most likely never going to happen, isn't about time you canned this account as well and GTFO? Take raven666wings with you, you two seem to have a bit of flare between you.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#459 - 2013-09-24 13:34:27 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
We recall it very differently then, I recall Hilmar asking the question if audience if they wanted that door to open and what he got was a yes.

As I said previously, I am not in favor of WiS because of the debacles that spurred before and after Incarna was launched which I think is the general consensus amongst us who doesn't want WiS and I also think that is a very fair because it was devastating for CCP and while I don't know about you, I don't want to see CCP go through that again.

That said, if CCP can and only if they can, should they re-introduce it? It really all depends on how they intend to go with the human element and if they can do it without having a Second Life in Space.


I'll just point you at the WiS thread; everything you say has been adressed many times there.

The latest news are that CCP's top brass have made their minds to not develop avatars as a part of EVE but as a separate game which they would like to develop sometime... just that's not official and likely will never be official because they are aware of the consequences.

WiS is essentially braindead, and this means that EVE will never be a complete SF simulator, rather it will remain as a spaceships & spreadsheets simulator.


I don't think simulator means what you think it means. The only thing 'EVE' that even comes close to being a simulator is EVE Valkyrie.

While internet spaceship spreadsheets are important, glorious things like the Alliance Tournament or battles like Asakai is what makes the headlines. Not your desire to play with your internet doll but there is always Second Life for you and I am sure there is someone, like you, butthurt that has made an Incarna-esque sim.

Now that you know that WiS is most likely never going to happen, isn't about time you canned this account as well and GTFO? Take raven666wings with you, you two seem to have a bit of flare between you.


Hey, I already quit the game and haven't had a recurring subscription for over a year.

But this spaceships & spreadsheets game still could be developed in ways i like, and so i am taking the chance that this account will last until past winter expansion to see wether CCP saves the day or slits its throat.

My wish list for EVE, in no particular order, is:

Casual-friendly new content
Player driven new PvE content
Soloable endgame content
Hisec endgame content
Extensive avatar customization
Avatar social content
Avatar gameplay

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#460 - 2013-09-24 13:37:52 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
We recall it very differently then, I recall Hilmar asking the question if audience if they wanted that door to open and what he got was a yes.

As I said previously, I am not in favor of WiS because of the debacles that spurred before and after Incarna was launched which I think is the general consensus amongst us who doesn't want WiS and I also think that is a very fair because it was devastating for CCP and while I don't know about you, I don't want to see CCP go through that again.

That said, if CCP can and only if they can, should they re-introduce it? It really all depends on how they intend to go with the human element and if they can do it without having a Second Life in Space.


I'll just point you at the WiS thread; everything you say has been adressed many times there.

The latest news are that CCP's top brass have made their minds to not develop avatars as a part of EVE but as a separate game which they would like to develop sometime... just that's not official and likely will never be official because they are aware of the consequences.

WiS is essentially braindead, and this means that EVE will never be a complete SF simulator, rather it will remain as a spaceships & spreadsheets simulator.


I don't think simulator means what you think it means. The only thing 'EVE' that even comes close to being a simulator is EVE Valkyrie.

While internet spaceship spreadsheets are important, glorious things like the Alliance Tournament or battles like Asakai is what makes the headlines. Not your desire to play with your internet doll but there is always Second Life for you and I am sure there is someone, like you, butthurt that has made an Incarna-esque sim.

Now that you know that WiS is most likely never going to happen, isn't about time you canned this account as well and GTFO? Take raven666wings with you, you two seem to have a bit of flare between you.


Hey, I already quit the game and haven't had a recurring subscription for over a year.

But this spaceships & spreadsheets game still could be developed in ways i like, and so i am taking the chance that this account will last until past winter expansion to see wether CCP saves the day or slits its throat.

My wish list for EVE, in no particular order, is:

Casual-friendly new content
Player driven new PvE content
Soloable endgame content
Hisec endgame content
Extensive avatar customization
Avatar social content
Avatar gameplay


So what you are basically doing is just shiptoasting?

Pick any of the Korean MMOs then, I am sure at least six of the things on your wishlist is covered in some manner.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.