EVE General Discussion

The OP is correct. I have seen this myself over the years.

Still, it's rather hard to get noobs to do anything. They got their noses deep into the tutorials, which is OK I guess, seeing that anybody who asks anything is going to be told "do the tutorial!".

I've considered dropping back into noob NPC corp to see if I can help. Last time I was in NPC corp, two corpies were close to a ragequit for being ganked in Parts. I convinced them to fleet up with me and attack the people who ganked them. We were up against heavy hitters and lost, but they had a good time and didn't ragequit. One even went to a nullsec alliance later on.


It can be tedious. Perhaps it's up to the bittervets to decide that they have enough ISK and promote the game in the manner that the OP suggests?

Aaaahhhh, what a wonderful post !
Thank you ! :D


(please note that throwing money at noobs isn't helping them and i doubt that's what you actually meant)
(by saying "have enough ISK and promote the game")

I have to add something.

I actually don't think it needs a lot of money to help them.
It actually needs much more time than money.

Money can be made with them, but the time one has to invest himself.

.......none of what you said contradicts anything that I said. There are alt farmers in npc 0.0 and Sov as well. While FW doesn't pay you much to shoot people per se (you actually do get a payout for kills though), you will shoot people and get shot at, and there will be plenty of pvp available at any given time for those who want it.

As for not being a pvp area, earlier this year fac war Black Rise beat out all of the other regions in eve as the most active region in terms of kills. Here's a source for that, 27,271 kills in a single month alone.

[Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom]

Stuff given away for free has a value of 0, meaning that giving noobs stuff does not help them.

What I meant is that veterans should consider that their grinding in markets/belts/missions has already brought in enough ISK and should consider doing something else.

A lot of players are self-centered. I think this has more to do with time than any negative conclusion to be drawn from that. If all a player has is one hour, and it's going to take double that to get a fleet together, then the player is probably just going to run a mission or move a ship while checking contracts and other such matters. Some people can scan well enough to hit a site in one hour too. It's all they have time for.

But even without noobs in the mix, anything other than making some quick ISK faces an almost exponential time increase. If it take say 30 minutes to hit a highsec level 4 mission for an experienced player, but forming a fleet, even with other experienced players, is going to take a factor of that, like 3 hours from form up to roam/mission/gank to logout, the amount of time the player has may well be exceeded. This is particularly the case for many fellows who can't get to their computer till around 10 PM and it seems like the wife and/or kids sense the computer switched on and magically materialize 1 meter away from the right or left shoulder. So we're looking at people who have to be up at say 6AM and *should* already be sleeping at 10PM but are trying at least to make sure the Skill que is not dead and they still know how to undock (hence the calamity caused by moving the undock button).

This is why many of those who want PVP tend to end up hitting a CODX server for some spank and gank instead of logging into Eve.

I fail to see your actual issue.
I only see that you are describing a symptom,
but not the underlying reason for your lack of ISK
and i doubt it has to do with what the game offers.

Don't you have any friends ingame ?

In the long run I would hope that some means of getting into more emergent play is provided. Indeed they get into missions because they get tutorials on that.


Perhaps it's time for actual PVP missions? Certainly the mechanics of this I would not know how to implement.

But imagine that in order to get past all of the tutorials one must have "The PVP Mission" done?

And, while it might seem particularly cruel, maybe the game would benefit from a gank mission?

My impression is that the game is wide open for PVP and ganking, but there is no direct promotion of it beyond the "Be the Villain" ad campaign. "Be the Villain" so people sign up and..... here's a tutorial for missions. Here's a tutorial for mining.

Look at it this way and what the OP is writing about becomes clear.

I think if CCP added a PVP mission or even a "gank mission" it would make headlines. And why not? It might even encourage new players to avoid doing the one thing that is almost certain to make them averse to PVP.

(That one thing is to take getting blown up too personally)

Why would you want CCP to interfere in a purely player-driven issue ?

There's nothing CCP can do,
as long as players have the last say in matters.

And with new players, they actually do.

What are you looking for ?