Ships & Modules

Thing is most people asking to bring Cynabals and Machariels in line with other ships its not really their dps but exactly agility/speed 2 ship categories under.
Hell change the fall off for tracking instead, its still a gallente bonus and far more useful in this hull without making it stupid able to shoot shortest range ammo with ACs further away than it can target.

Speed/agility adjustment and it should be ok.

First up, that's far too drastic.

Second: Confirmed? Who confirmed it? Where?

I invite you to use any other killboard to look at the relative number of kills from Machs/Vindis/Bhaals/NMs/Snakes, and prove me wrong.

The mach is vastly preferred over other pirate BS's for PvP.

By not making stuff up?

Not quite sure what are you saying. There may be more vindis, but that doesn't mean they are more used for PvP.

Honestly, I do get why Machs are preferred by some people out there who used them for solo-ish aor small group PvP. Basically, they aren't sitting ducks that get caught by AB'ing cruisers (yes, I'm exaggerating here; doesn't change the fact that speed of most BSs is irrelevant) like other battleships, and they can be used as kiters - for some time it seems it was common suggestion that you either can kite, or you don't undock for non-something-hugging (as in: WH aperture hugging, station games etc.) PvP.

For quite some time "Mach vs another BS" was basically the same as "SFI vs another cruiser". Not always the best, but chances are at least sometimes you'llbe able to pick fights you can win, GTFO etc.

Vindis and Bhaals won't fall into obscurity as long as they have their (almost) unique definig bonuses. NM and Rattlers, on the other hand, are generic boats with no reserved niche and thus they must be really really good at something so that paying the price could be justified.

so becuase its preferred it needs to be nerfed?

People see what they wanna see. Dominix is on WAY more KM's than Mealstrom. Because the Mach is the only decent PvP projectile BS. I don't hear them crying nerf the Domi, although it is way more powerful in its class than the Mach is. Domi has had as many recent buffs as Mach has had nerfs. RS isn't on KM's? Boo friggin hoo, theres other drone boats that put out MORE DPS. Vindi isnt on KM's? Oh wait, theres 4 or 5 blaster boats with as much DPS as the Vindi for 1/5 the price. NM not on KM's? My fraking Armageddon gets as much DPS, although its not a laser boat ,there are comparable laser boats in the damage category with great tank for way less money.

It not that its preferred, its why its preferred.

If something is overpowered, odds are that once people figure out how good it is, they will use it, by a large margin.

We're not talking a small preference here, as far as I can tell, its on more kill mails than the NM/Snake/Bhaal combined, and still has a nearly 2:1 lead over the vindi. For incursions, one of the best uses of these boats (as even if they do well in PvP, they are still a ~1 billion isk hull that many will want on their KB, and its still a hull that would get primary'd in larger engagements)- as its the best reliable ISK/hour in high sec - many fleets are saturated with Machs (as people on this thread have already attested to)

Vindis are rather high in demand now for incursions, due to the competitions in HQ sites, and that 2/3 of HQ sites involve a tower bash, and there's no better way to Vin a contest than to have vindicators firing void at point blank range onto a tower.

Meanwhile, the snake still finds itself competing with T1 BSs (domi), Bhaals don't have much PvE use (and judging by the KBs, less PvP use than machs), Nightmares find themselves as only incursion boats, where they are taken with a certain amount of disdain due to their slow speed and cap issues (cap chains... ewwww)

omg is that isk cost being a balancing factor?

and no ive never heard of fleets of uncatchable machs but then ive only played the game for 9 months or so...

And Mega is the hull of choice for cost effective harassing ATM, again, people seeing what they want to see.

Using the logic presented in the above post its time to nerf the Mega, not the Mach.



It had 2 buffs and 1/4 of its 2nd buff taken away.

Machs already been nerfed a lot harder than that.