EVE General Discussion

It's pretty dated.

First you need to have a target to turn to or move towards or orbit.

If you have no target, all you can do is just move in a straight line aimlessly.

So piloting in Eve is very target based.

You dont need to overhaul the whole thing just give us a little freedom to yaw left or right, up or down via keyboard or mouse without the need for a target.

Double click.

If you have a touchscreen you can fly by pointing - just touch where you want to go to (ok, double-touch but it's kinda cool)

Same way as the bullets in DUST do

eve piloting is actually fantastic, people look at space sim games and want to fly their ships like that, but they never think of the incredibly dismal tactical and strategic play involved in "dogfighting".

and not only "solo" or small gang play would be negatively affected by the change in pace, can you imagine three thousand people dog fighting in a grid at 10% TiDi?

if anything eve needs a "que" system for commands, and a visual representation of what your ship will do. for example, clicking on an enemy ship and setting an orbit will create a circling arrow representing the orbit, and another arrow representing the "path into" the orbit. allowing us to alter the path by clicking and dragging as not to get blapped as we fly under the guns.

the same system could be used to create artificial orbits around "nothing" instead of dropping a jetcan... allowing much more control over our ships.

the result is the same we get now days with "manual" flying, but it becomes more intuitive for new pilots. lets face it, clicking in space, or doing a "look at" command and clicking where the enemy ship is flying towards is very clunky.

besides that, the system is perfect, you don't play as a pilot, you play as a captain.

Valkyrie and DUST 514 don't use the EVE engine and are not bound by the same 1-second-interval communications that EVE is. Those two games are specifically built for twitch response real-time gameplay as all shooters should be. EVE is not.

It's not simply about a server bottleneck as much as it is a client AND server limitation on a very basic level.

I'd love to see real piloting as much as anybody else, but it would probably mean completely rewriting EVE Online from the ground up, since everything in EVE is designed around this 1 second tick system.

You don't understand how good EVE piloting actually is until you compare it to other games. In EVE you can instantly turn 180 degrees any time, you can shoot into any direction, you can see whole environment. And in first-person-view simulator Star Citizen its piloting mode won't allow you to do any of these tricks - but you'll be able to use left-right-etc arrows while trying to find out direction from which you are being shot.

A re-written EVE 2.0 would be an awesome idea.

Thing is, do we need to change the current way of piloting our ships? EVE would have to be completely changed that it would practically be a different game. Not only to overcome the 1 second tick mechanic, but to make twitch gameplay actually necessary.

We're moving massive ships several kilometers long, it's not like these things are zipping around at tremendous speed (relatively speaking). Even if we did have twitch based gameplay, it would really only be of use to frigate sized ships.

It would be a cool thing to implement, but the entire gameplay of EVE would have to be reworked to the point it's only similar to old EVE in name.

Letting the the AI try to orbit something with a higher top speed but lower agility is the 2nd most annoying thing ever.

Second only to doing it manually with double-clicking.