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GM Team Update Bans Most Scamming

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XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#61 - 2013-09-09 17:25:44 UTC
The dumbest thing CCP has done since The Fearless Riots.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#62 - 2013-09-09 17:26:15 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
So if ButthurtMcGee decides to report me for selling him 6 Tech moons that actually belonged to Evoke 2 years ago am I going to get banned?

You aren't an evoke spy, are you

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Luther Chuggs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-09-09 17:27:02 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
E'lyna Mis Dimaloun wrote:
This tops CCP Mintchip. Way to go guys!

Wonder how the CSM is going to damage control this one...

"It's only there to catch goonies"

"grr goonies. ok"


It works a bit better this way, I think.
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2013-09-09 17:27:05 UTC
Also for the new players here, I would like to remind you that CCP tried to ban scamming in the past.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#65 - 2013-09-09 17:27:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Here's some other humor for this. According to the definition given, strictly by the rules, anyone claiming to have a mining permit from the New Order is misrepresenting themselves as a member of a group, if they don't actually have a permit. (We consider all valid permit holders a member of our highsec coalition).

Unfortunately, we were told we don't count as a "group" according to CCP definition. CFC though, is considered a "group" so anyone trying to pull the "join GoonSwarm" scam, be careful!

Well I know that it's against the rules to pretend to be people like EOH Poker. A friend of mine made a corp with their name, got billions sent to him in error, then a GM removed it and renamed him and his corp. This was before the changes to the EULA. It's actually part of the naming policy (i've trimmed out irrelevant parts):
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-user-policy/
Quote:
b. In-game names may not:
Impersonate or parody an NPC type from the EVE game world (i.e. CONCORD or other official NPC corporation or organization members) for the purpose of misleading other players.

c. No player may use the character name of another player to falsely represent his or her identity. Player created corporation and alliance names also fall under this policy, as do names of any other in-game entities.
That said, I've only seen it enforced if you are a big group like eoh poker, eve-radio, etc.
Several times I've seen other corps mimicked or parodied and nothing get's done because "sandbox". It's just another example of CCPs selective rule enforcement.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-09-09 17:27:15 UTC
What is this smelling?

Tears?


I don't know but feels tasty, can I have some?

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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2013-09-09 17:27:44 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
So if ButthurtMcGee decides to report me for selling him 6 Tech moons that actually belonged to Evoke 2 years ago am I going to get banned?

You aren't an evoke spy, are you


Damn I'm gonna get banned now.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#68 - 2013-09-09 17:28:43 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
So if ButthurtMcGee decides to report me for selling him 6 Tech moons that actually belonged to Evoke 2 years ago am I going to get banned?


Apparently. This ruling really does screw with a ton of scams in EVE.

I guess Mittens is gonna have to shut down his trusted third party escrow service.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#69 - 2013-09-09 17:29:58 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Also for the new players here, I would like to remind you that CCP tried to ban scamming in the past.

Great. So, attempting to sneak in rules with extremely widespread applications for future use in selective enforcement is a thing.

EVE is real

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Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#70 - 2013-09-09 17:31:15 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
So if ButthurtMcGee decides to report me for selling him 6 Tech moons that actually belonged to Evoke 2 years ago am I going to get banned?

Apparently. This ruling really does screw with a ton of scams in EVE.

I guess Mittens is gonna have to shut down his trusted third party escrow service.

I don't know about you, but I hear that goons use the mittani all the time.

I plan to use him as a third party when buying a supercap from my friend, in fact

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#71 - 2013-09-09 17:32:57 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
So I noticed there was a small update to the EVE terms of service, noted here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/eve-online-terms-of-service-update-1/

No comment thread was provided. This new "update" adds this:

Quote:
You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity.


This effectively bans most scamming and appears to be entirely unwarranted and an intrusion into the sandbox, made without comment or justification. Of course, this may be poorly worded and intended to address a specific problem, in which case I think a discussion of the subject would produce a much better result - after all, this will be cited by every scamee in a petition and if it doesn't mean what it says, some new GM will quickly make a mistake. As written, one of our members who scams someone with the time-honored recruitment scam will get petitioned when someone says that he wasn't authorized to represent Goonswarm.

If it does mean what it says - the GM team has decided to ban most scamming ("why yes, I'm a representative of NC. and can rent you Scalding Pass, pay no attention to the part of the game that tells you I'm in Goonwaffe") I'd like an explanation as to why such a massive intrusion into one of the core features of EVE was warranted. I mean, if you actually get scammed by someone claiming to represent one of the EVE [b]NPC Corporations[/u] you deserve everything that's coming to you.

This appears to be the GM team simply giving in to the masses of people who just spam unjustified petitions. I don't want to get ahead of the facts without a GM or CCP response, but this clearly warrants one.


Come on, where's your creativity. As a member of GoonWaffe this is the perfect opportunity to sell people permits to scam in your name (because if they have your permit they are not technically 'falsely' presenting themselves as your representative - and a representative is not necessarily the guy who is allowed to add someone to the corp).
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And then threaten to withdraw that permit and petion them unless they give you 80% of their earnings. Twisted
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#72 - 2013-09-09 17:33:35 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
Does this mean roleplaying is dead?

WHat do you think.

Let's start reporting all roleplayers

Harsh..;-;

I don't hate you, but I think NCdot needs a victory and getting half of cva banned is probably the only way they can win.

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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2013-09-09 17:35:35 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
So if ButthurtMcGee decides to report me for selling him 6 Tech moons that actually belonged to Evoke 2 years ago am I going to get banned?

Apparently. This ruling really does screw with a ton of scams in EVE.

I guess Mittens is gonna have to shut down his trusted third party escrow service.

I don't know about you, but I hear that goons use the mittani all the time.

I plan to use him as a third party when buying a supercap from my friend, in fact


Your sig is falsely representing Progodlegend & N3. Reported.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#74 - 2013-09-09 17:36:50 UTC
OK, now here's my question. Since when has ISD been allowed to make interpretations of the EULA as CCPs agent? I know they ENFORCE the rules set down by CCP, but an ISD declaring "X is a real group protected under EULA" and "Y is not a real group" is a pretty big declaration for a player volunteer to make.


Catch the right ISD, and we can ~disband~ coalitions as needed, just by stating they don't fall under this EULA clause's protections.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2013-09-09 17:38:12 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
OK, now here's my question. Since when has ISD been allowed to make interpretations of the EULA as CCPs agent? I know they ENFORCE the rules set down by CCP, but an ISD declaring "X is a real group protected under EULA" and "Y is not a real group" is a pretty big declaration for a player volunteer to make.


Catch the right ISD, and we can ~disband~ coalitions as needed, just by stating they don't fall under this EULA clause's protections.


Ban ISD

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GM Grimmi
Game Master Retirement Home
#76 - 2013-09-09 17:39:36 UTC
Greetings,

Impersonation has been prohibited for a long time.

The EULA clearly states that:

“No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity”

A similar clause has been in the EVE Online Naming Policy for a good while:

“c. No player may use the character name of another player to falsely represent his or her identity. Player created corporation and alliance names also fall under this policy, as do names of any other in-game entities.”

The TOS update is therefore nothing new, merely a clarification of what has been policy for ages.

Recruitment scams using your own corp/alliance are fine, claiming to be working on behalf of players/groups of players you're not affiliated with is considered impersonation and a violation of our policies.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#77 - 2013-09-09 17:40:27 UTC
Oh I guess it's always been like this.

Time to go home guys

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2013-09-09 17:41:03 UTC
GM Grimmi wrote:
Greetings,

Impersonation has been prohibited for a long time.

The EULA clearly states that:

“No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity”

A similar clause has been in the EVE Online Naming Policy for a good while:

“c. No player may use the character name of another player to falsely represent his or her identity. Player created corporation and alliance names also fall under this policy, as do names of any other in-game entities.”

The TOS update is therefore nothing new, merely a clarification of what has been policy for ages.

Recruitment scams using your own corp/alliance are fine, claiming to be working on behalf of players/groups of players you're not affiliated with is considered impersonation and a violation of our policies.


Thanks for clarifying. Would you like to join Goonwaffe?

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Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#79 - 2013-09-09 17:41:39 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
GM Grimmi wrote:
Greetings,

Impersonation has been prohibited for a long time.

The EULA clearly states that:

“No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity”

A similar clause has been in the EVE Online Naming Policy for a good while:

“c. No player may use the character name of another player to falsely represent his or her identity. Player created corporation and alliance names also fall under this policy, as do names of any other in-game entities.”

The TOS update is therefore nothing new, merely a clarification of what has been policy for ages.

Recruitment scams using your own corp/alliance are fine, claiming to be working on behalf of players/groups of players you're not affiliated with is considered impersonation and a violation of our policies.

Thanks for clarifying. Would you like to join Goonwaffe?

Literally BoB with GMs in the alliance eh

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

JinSanJong
Doomheim
#80 - 2013-09-09 17:41:48 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
So I noticed there was a small update to the EVE terms of service, noted here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/eve-online-terms-of-service-update-1/

No comment thread was provided. This new "update" adds this:

Quote:
You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity.


This effectively bans most scamming and appears to be entirely unwarranted and an intrusion into the sandbox, made without comment or justification. Of course, this may be poorly worded and intended to address a specific problem, in which case I think a discussion of the subject would produce a much better result - after all, this will be cited by every scamee in a petition and if it doesn't mean what it says, some new GM will quickly make a mistake. As written, one of our members who scams someone with the time-honored recruitment scam will get petitioned when someone says that he wasn't authorized to represent Goonswarm.

If it does mean what it says - the GM team has decided to ban most scamming ("why yes, I'm a representative of NC. and can rent you Scalding Pass, pay no attention to the part of the game that tells you I'm in Goonwaffe") I'd like an explanation as to why such a massive intrusion into one of the core features of EVE was warranted. I mean, if you actually get scammed by someone claiming to represent one of the EVE [b]NPC Corporations[/u] you deserve everything that's coming to you.

This appears to be the GM team simply giving in to the masses of people who just spam unjustified petitions. I don't want to get ahead of the facts without a GM or CCP response, but this clearly warrants one.



oh poor goon cant be a lousy scammer, gtfo