Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so does sarcasm

Sure, that particular one has a price tag. There's no reason to fit a faction warp disruptor unless you want point range superiority. Tech 2 rigs are of course a luxury that I afford myself on T2 hulls, but there are ways to fit the ship if you want to spend less. A couple of implants would remove the requirement of the T2 rigs in this particular case. Players may consider implants to be a wiser investment that hull modules, at least in lowsec.

I'm not saying that the kiting fit I proposed is awesome. I did it in response to a claim that it was not possible. The original poster was complaining that a vaga was "no longer any good at kiting". That claim was later clarified on grounds of weapons range when autcannons were fitted, so I responded with artillery. It was then claimed that the vaga could not fit artillery... hence the fit on which you comment.

I guess I'm just tired of hearing unfounded whining about how the vagabond has been in some way nerfed when all of its stats bar one (max speed dropped by 3 m/s) went up.

The armour vaga was, as you quoted, for lols. But it did occur to me that it would make an epic tackler in an armour fleet, combining good resistances with astonishing speed. One could always swap the MAR for some plate and it would still most likely be the fastest ship on grid.

Not the designed use case, I know...

Well at this stage I think it's time for everyone to shut up about theory-crafting, and actually use the ships for a while. Let the killboards do the talking.

Just so we are on the same page.

"At this stage" = Now that changes have gone live after most complaints and worries had been flat out ignored during the supposed feed-back/testing period and what was launched was what the generic Blaster-phile have been soiling his jammies over since CCP hired multiple Gallente lovers.
"Theory-crafting" = Supporting or putting forth any point of view that conflicts with design goal regardless of validity or testing data.

As for killboards doing the talking .. what does it matter when the powers that be are hard of hearing?
Relevant fact: Winmatar fad lasted 2+ years, that was with 60-75% of all ships (ie. total, including all areas) used being of the projectile variety week in and week out consistently for the entire duration.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that having ships that are capable of tanking pretty much anything one can throw at it while at the same time having versatility and top-tier damage potential will be bad for balance.

NanoAge was pretty bad, Winmatar fad was God Awful but Gallente spam will be good?

Balance. Equal opportunity. That should be the aim, not some cyclical dominance thing where more than half of everything gets to gather dust for years on end.

People still itch about the Vaga's rep bonus while the FOTM is kite Nomen with ARR and almost no buffer. Stop EFTing and start undocking.

Unpinning, 1.1 has been released.

I would rather have the Sacrilege get the same bonus for damage and range for the rapid light missile launcher like the Cerberus did.

Seems that Rapid Light Missile Launchers are only a cruiser sized launcher that works for matar and Caldari which is sad for the Sacrilege.

Is it intended for let's say the Deimos to be able to tank 6 cruiser gang (including HAC) while neuted, or
a BS a BC and another HAC, kill em all and go out. In the last example we are talking about ~900-1000 applied DPS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-4SJALYGI

Nice video - but what suprised me is that even neuted it can tank about 350-400 DPS.. And whats more interesting is that it tanks more than the vaga can while both have 7.5% bonus. I think the Vaga really needs a 5 th slot.

I understand the buff to cap recharge but then why Command ships don't have a better cap recharge than the one of the HAC?

Bigger ship, also Tech 2, more cap pool and more cap recharge than the ship class below.

The Zealot still needs a bigger cargo bay.

I suggest 400m³ wont break EVE and would be in line with the rest of the bunch. I also believe that a tiny dronebay of 25m³ wouldn't hurt the game either.

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