Player Features and Ideas Discussion

82.5% webs are still pretty significant.

And totally useful when I MJD 100km away every 60 sec and blap stuff with my 50km Neutrons... (yay)

EDIT: Why no pacefalm smilie?

whats truly happening:
art team: "hey we made a super cool animation for marauder this will solve everything"
ytterbum: "yeah that sound cool but lets add some stats to it"
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players: "oh shiny thingies that dont solve the main problems with the ship class, **** the animation give us a real boost"
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ytterbum: "hey art team the players dont want to see our cool animation they rather want a real boost"
art team: "**** them we spent so much time doing this we have to use it"
ytterbum: "ok lets try to mess around with the stats again without solving the problem agaim"

And here I was hoping for some solo/small gang active rep fun since I couldn't be remote repped...

Sure, the applications on the bonuses aren't complementary but that in no way makes the bonus lackluster for when you do use it. Incursion marauders won't likely be using Bastion+MJD but will benefit from increased resists and web bonuses. Both will benefit from the application bonuses.

I kind of feel like marauders are being pushed into so many different directions here to try to fill roles that either other ships fill better, or don't really exist in the first place. I know CCP is trying, but it all seems so screwed up right now.

Instead of concentrating so hard on making marauders wildly different from pirate battleships and other parts of the ship line-up why don't they follow the rest of the t2 lineup, and make what changes are needed to keep them on course.

For instance, to separate them from pirate battleships look at what pirate battleships do well. All of the pirate ships have great dps, most are fairly fast (with the machariel being very fast) and three of them have fantastic ewar bonuses. Why not keep this to pirate battleships? If they need to be reworked a little then do so during the pirate rebalance, but keep things like 90% webs, web range, a neuts to pirate battleships.

Whats left over now for marauders? Well why not follow the assault ship/command ship lineup. Keep the marauder's dps about the same, but emphasize their tank and application, but do so without utterly pidgeonholeing the class. Get rid of all of all of the ewar bonuses. ALL of them. No bonus to webs, none to target painters. Just drop them. If we want them, we'll fit them, just don't make us feel like we have to in order to optimize the ship. When you think about ship bonuses realize that people are going to use long and short range weapons on the ship. Keep this in mind. A web bonus is less of a help to people using long range weapons than it is to someone who uses short range ones.

Here's a sample of something that makes sense.

GOLEM

• Role Bonus: 100% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo damage. 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay. Can fit Bastion modules.

• Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo velocity
5% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo explosion velocity per level

• Marauders Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to the cruise missile and torpedo explosion velocity per level
4% bonus to shield resistances per level


• Slot layout: 6H, 7M, 5L; 0 turrets, 4 launchers
• Fittings: 8500 PWG, 715 CPU
• Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8000 / 6100 / 7000
• Shield resists: 0% EM / 50% EX / 70% KIN / 80% THERM
• Armor resists: 50% EM / 10% EX / 62.5% KIN / 86.25% THERM
• Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6325 / 1150s / 5.5 cap/s
• Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 85 m/s / .12 / 114195000 / 19s
• Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 50
• Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 95km / 105 / 10
• Sensor strength: 28 Gravimetric
• Signature radius: 450

And a bastion module that makes sense. Its pretty powerful, but again, its balanced against the fact that you COMMIT. No logi, can't move, can still be neuted, and anyone can run away from you.

BASTION MODULE

• Increases shield and armor repair amount by 25%
• Increases shield, armor and hull by 25%
• Extends all large turret falloff and optimal by 25%
• Increases all large missile max velocity by 25%
• Increases damage from large missiles and turrets by 25%
• When activated, the bastion module repairs the marauder for 25% of its maximum capacitor, armor, shield, and hull hp.
• Has a cycle time of 60 seconds.
• When in bastion mode, Marauder is immune to EW but cannot be remote assisted in any way
• When in bastion mode, Marauder speed is set to 0 m/s, mass is increased by a factor of 10, cannot warp. Also

When its activated, we're parked. We commit. When we turn this thing on its either win or die, so it better be worth it.

Its useful with the bastion module. Its useful without it. It has enough slots to make good fitting choices. It can be buffer tanked or active tanked. It has good application, which can be made better with TPs or webs, but it doesn't NEED to fit them.

10% HP isn't going to affect my PvE performance at all. The tank loss is partially made up in part by the resist increase, more if you're tanking against your racial resist strength. Add bastion and you're tanking 2x what you were prior. Also using a bastion+some of the new bonuses expands effective range to the point that mobility is far less of a concern.

i'll admit i didn't bother doing the maths but with the webs being that close why didn't ccp just give them a real web bonus so they are actually able to compete with pirate battleships?

i mean, let's look at the kronos and a vindicator in an incursion setting (i love incursions)
we're trading the superior dps and now superior webbing ability of the vindicator for t2 resits... which the vindicator makes up for by having 1 more mid slot for an extra invuln or EM amp, or whatever it needs.

so really, the kronos is just a crap vindicator that generally just takes longer to train for since you won't really miss gal BS V on your vindi if you have more important things to train.

*shrug*

the only way these marauder changes actually going to be worth **** is if pirate battleships get unapolagetically bludgeoned with the nerf bat. that remains to be seen.

u messed up bonuses
1st they similar 2nd 7.5% for velocity and 5% for radius


and that i want on first post

You got that right except for the players' line. We were all "5k dps tank? Bring it on!"
Then CCP went "Oh crap someone made a 5k DPS tank with dual ASBs on a Vargur... better nerf the tank"

And now we're at this Frankenstein of a ship class.

CCP, rework Marauders again, keep the bastion mode, but make the bonuses work together. Don't give them two skirmish bonuses (range + MJD) and two brawler bonuses (web + immobile Bastion)