Player Features and Ideas Discussion

if youve done leadership training, you must have worked under a leader before. a leader is someone who has extra training to impart on his underlings to keep them safer, make them react better, or just change the way the act as a whole.

look at a bunch of high school football players.
now look at a bunch of NFL players. with good leadership and mentoring (and steroids), they become killer in their trade.

so we fleet up (since my toon has up to fleet commander 4), he has been through tons of training and knows how to direct the fleet to perform better. plus, he has command ship 5 and all boosting skills to 5. meaning, you can tap into my electronics and allow them to predict a course of action that will simulate having better armo (deflecting shots more), or better speed (by calculating a better flight path). he can tell you how better to adjust your radars or give you additional computing power to search out further.

minor things like just leadership skills dont affect that much, but a good leader CAN affect every aspect of your ship.
outstanding leaders (like general patton or churchill) can move mountains.

fleet up under my command ship with the implant (which would be like marching under patton with all of his staff and advisors) and you will gain all the benefits of a great leadership plus enhanced ship features normally not afforded to your ship.

external processors help tremendoously.

All very true.

However a good NFL coach/leader cannot physically make his team run faster or hit harder than they have the ability to do. What he can do is ensure that they use their abilities to the maximum effectiveness they are capable of.

How would this cripple anything in eve.

Fleets (gangs originally) used to form and function fine before all the boosting crap turned up.

If you want to gang up to get the benefit of having multiple people and a FC who knows what they are doing you don't need 'fleet boosts' or any of that ****. The boosting situation we are in now is because people are bloody lazy and don't want to invest the time to form relationships and skills (player) to run effective fleets. This is an MMO after all. One that is famous for not handing stuff on a plate to it's player but rewards time/patience and creative thinking.

IMO the whole boosting debacle is what is crippling creative thought in eve as the general thoughts in game are if you are not boosted to the max you are doing it wrong.

What else am I going to do with 14 million SP? :/

Stick them into other stuff! easy when you think about it.

why they are here:

It is mmo law....

Thou shall have buff's.
Thou shall have raids (incursions for the eve types who don't use "wow" terms)
Thou shall have healz (logisitics for the eve purists)
Thou shall have crafiting (invention and industry for eve purists)
etc....


MMO's have buffs, its an expected feature.


The NFL example, a bad one. Dozens of players players lead by big money and contract incentive's. A better real life exmaple would be 3 months of fun and excitement in say Parris Island. You will see this mysterious leadership effect clearly there. When the heavy hat DI has the mean look directed at you, you dig deep and hard to give 110%. If only to get him looking at some other recruit chesse dicking it. For non Marines the heavy hats are the DI's (Drill Instructors) who are there to be overtly mean and menacing. They are more leadership out of fear than respect at first.

Then when a Marine you get that leadership who you push harder for since letting them down would be like letting your say father down. I have had CO's I would even run a 100m dash to make Jesse Owens look slow to take a bullet for him and worked much hard for in garrison.

I also have had other CO's.....lets jsut say I'd be in no rush to say "Look out sir". hell in the deep dark parts of my mind...if it came to someone jumping on a grenade, 1 co I have in mind would probably be thrown on it and I lie after and say he sacrificed himself for us. Sad thing is anyway one else nearby would back up the lie. Basically in eve terms in eve terms he would give negative leadership debuffs, this guy failed at motivatiion....damn good at demotivation though.

Seeing as we have skills that can affect solid stats (armor for instance, how does knowing about armor let you have more?) leadership skills aren't very different in that aspect. And citing the NFL players, a good coach can push his players to reach their limits and possibly play harder than they normally would, or thought they could.

It was mentioned earlier that the boosts are a bit out of line compared to other things, but in my opinion the skills themselseves aren't out of line at all (usually 10% bonus at max skills). when you combine skills with links, then they become pretty big. however it's two seperate things working together to make this kind of unproportional boost.

However the power of some links is a bit much currently and most of the nerfs to ganglinks are bringing them in line with what modules can do.

Oh look, another attempt to make my Avatar all the more worthless.

Gang bonuses are good because they give people interesting decisions to make. Or at least they will/should when theyre forced on grid.

When theyre forced on grid and you arent able to just bring an alt and never worry about it, then you'll have to ask yourself as a FC, do i want another full strength ship or do i want gang bonuses?

It also gives the enemy interesting choices to make, Do i shoot at their heavily tanked ship and make the whole fleet weaker or do i ignore it and just deal with the gang bonuses.

I don’t really have that many leadership skills but I think the OP makes an interesting point. It seems that the essence behind these skills has become twisted. If looking at the example of what a good RL leader would gain from his troops, then perhaps the boosts that the leadership skills provide. For example perhaps alignment should be a bit quicker, warp speed slightly quicker, lock speed slightly quicker etc, these would be things that a good leader would possibly provide his fleet mates.
Boosts that provide extra armour etc are ridiculous