Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh good lord <3

Nope no one said the eagle was good :)
i think 2/10 people have said it is fine or ok at best in the whole of both threads

so its a 200 and ion boat only cuss there is not enough grid left over for 250's or neutrons. was this by design?

CCP Rise,
Is there a chance that we can get some drones on the Eagle? While I think additional mid will be helpful in finally being able to field a web when dealing with small sig based ships, the option to not realistically be able to fit a neut makes me a bit sad (not that a NOS wasn't used on the ASB version, but when cap injected a neut was good at dealing with frig tackle).

Perhaps a partial light flight like the Moa gets or a a full flight of lights even (For both the Eagle and the Zealot really). The Eagle and the Zealot being the only HACs now without drones. The zealot can absolutely murder frigs, for example, with scorch if you manage to dictate the frigs transversal during approach while the Eagle has very little in a way to deal with frigs even if its just to break tackle to escape.

I know rails are getting a buff which will help the Eagle out a bit, but a the one glaring problem with the blaster variant in my opinion was always figuring out a way of dealing with smaller sig based ships like frigs.

To be clear, I am not saying that a brawling blaster Eagle should be able to come out on top in every frig engagement but it should at least have the possibility to manage that threat via drones or fitting choices. Sacrificing a Web for a tracking computer ,for example, I don't think is enough without a tracking bonus on the hull (which I don't think is the answer here).

Again, just an idea to see what you guys think and what you can come up with. I was just hoping for a viable brawling Caldari HAC as both seem to be better served in mid to long range rolls. Personally, I find being scrammed by a buzzard that you accidentally decloaked after panic warping to a celestial to be the best way to die in an Eagle :)

You go with that statement, I go with 'thx for capacitor' and 'thx for sig'. New Vaga awesome!

It would be nice if the Eagle could kite with blasters about 20km and do decent damage with a way of dealing with frigs and having the speed and agility to actually keep range.. unfortunately apparently this isn't allowed by RISE who thinks it has to remain a slightly ******** sniper ... even though the Naga and Talos can both out snipe it.

When you almost exactly described the current state of rail guns as a proposed "tiericide," were you trolling or making a joke? Besides, weapon systems don't need a tiericide. The primary choice comes down to fitting, which is where it should be, with obvious benefits to smaller weapon tracking (relative to its other in-class choices), rate of fire, etc. and larger weapons generally having better optimal/falloff, and damage, which makes sense considering that they're larger/use more energy to propel the shot, etc.

yeah the eagle should get something

if you compare it to the deimos
it has no dronebay
it has shittier cap regen
it has higher cap use due to invu field
it is slower
it locks slower
it has larger sig radius
it has lower max dps by a lot

vs

slightly better resists
better ehp
better dps over 100km , not used at all thou
locks farther, the deimos will have plenty of lock range for its weapon, so i wouldnt say this is a real advantage

i think the disadvantages outweight the advantages heavily

the deimos is clrearly the superiot blaster ship
what we need is that the eagle should be the superior rail ship
maybe give some rail only bonuses by larger magnitude , it isnt good with blaster setup anyway(yup tried it)

That overbuffs the deimos, no ship should be able to easily tank 900dps before heat without links nor implants.

Christ, forums ate my post.

Edit: It seems to me like the Deimos can do a bit of everything decently, but nothing really well.

It's got tank enough to brawl, sure, and it's fast, but the sig radius still hurts in relation to other AHACs.
It can solo with the rep bonus, but lacks a utility high to neut off small stuff.
It can kite with rails but lacks a tracking bonus to take advantage of the damage.

Oh well, i guess it's true that a compromise means everyone is equally unhappy.