Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fly them all so no, don't understand or see a problem with for 2 reasons:

I don't use OGB while flying solo, implants combat boosters and whatnot 1v1 (+15) elite pvp.

When I fit an L A-type +SBA on loki I can't avoid trying to fit a large armor rep on my Proteus but I can't no matter what I do but then without much effort I can also fit an X-type on my loki but still no large armor rep on my Proteus while having a greater buffer can't tank the same number of ships for as long and still survive unless I dishonor gtfo (strategic retreat ).
Then I start tweaking a bit sleipnir fits and can safely tell you the problem doesn't come from the T3 rep sub or what the heck people complain about, ever tried to tank 15 arty Cyna gang with an Astarte and survive? -you can't but I can and did it often with a double xl-asb sleipnir.

The only problem comes from the OP links boosts+completely out of whack shield dead space modules. You guys don't want to admit it, don't want your solo (+alts) tralala pvp taken away which I can understand despite most arguments having no sense but in very specific situations that AREN'T relevant to any pvp balance. This game is an MMO, solo pvp/ships balance is not only irrelevant but stupid, talk about balance when difference in between tanking mods and their dedicated modules are so different and so badly balanced need some interest for the greater good and not only personal tràlàlà.

Now next time you want to argue about T3's rep openness remember about leave fleet not take drugs not fit pirate/named/fitting/navigation implants, then we might actually be able to discuss, until then I can't avoid laughing hard reading this thread and see my shield pvp setups becoming even more OP then they were before.

Have you noticed that the Legion, like all T3s, have the optional subsystem giving bonuses to rep amount?

Compared to a battleship with rep local tank bonuses, T3s produce less raw reps. (Not saying that they'd actually tank less)

I second that.

My misplaced post from the HAC thread:

What ship other than an identical ship will be able to defeat the Incursus for instance? Only option is to bring neuts, an option that doesn't even exist where ASBs are involved.

In short: Rethink the whole tanking concept from bottom up. Band-aids break.

Like the changes besides the lack of love for bling modules :P - will be interesting to see how the faction ones will work compared to their way more expensive bros with that kind of 15% boost.

Thx for the armor love :)

A very much needed boost to solo and small gang pvp. Its good to see some attention ehre as active reps have long been fairly worthless. It should also help to stop the un-balancing issue of people shield fitting armour ships becuase active armour tanks are so bad.

Originally even with the hull bonus, the only effective active armor tank for the myrm was to triple rep it, leaving pretty poor dps. Whereas an ASB fit myrm still tanks more, has tackle, and does way more dps.

Hoping this boost will change that.

People keep telling me that faction and officer resists were the answer not triple reps :)

I did for a long time and that's why I laugh anyway reading these guys putting in the same sentence the "OP T3's" with "supercarrier tanks" "doomsday dps" "triage super self reps" etc.
Myths, because they can't do all of it at the same time, there's always a trade off and not a small one opening a huge defensive hole no one or very little cares to take the time to understand how to break or counter, OGBs just make them out of whack but at the very beginning it's not really the ship but some stupid mechanics that need to go away.

Let me just copy pasta again this guy comment : "The T3 has more RAW rep than the BS does."

Well maybe in his other game I don't know which one because in Eve T3's don't have a self build local rep bonus but it's a subsystem trading other stats which usually is buffer and less lows/mids.
Now without even going any further than the hated HAMgu while the ridiculous mount of reps from sub bonus on top of T2 SBA+dead space A-type med SB+combat booster+links+implants, I can simply take a Maelstrom for the same example and push even greater stupid numbers.
Yet do you see people complaining about those? -no because T3 with all those funky solo I win buttons is the best option overall over a fat slow ass battleship for solo (with ogb) elite pvp

How is this even possible in the first place?
-oversize shield modules for "x" hull, in armor you simply can't
-HPS/cap efficiency of dead space SBs (not even accounting officer SBs or SBAs) being in between 250% better (without links) to 900% when you factor all possible improvement methods/tools.

So if we want to talk about T3's tank/dps ability we need to do it right with a rep bonus battleship and we need to do it in between armor T3vsarmor BS then shield T3vs shield BS but try to compare both its like searching to get aids or cancer, it's just impossible because of so much illogical difference in HPS/cap between same size/meta armor reps vs shield reps.

No way in hell I get fingers in the nose over 5K local reps per 5s cycle with armor reps and certainly not at cruiser/bc size, yet this is possible with shields (wihtout OGB or whatsoever) while still accumulating as good if not bigger buffer than armor ones cap immunity good dps output and a rather good maneuverability for ships supposed to be thick tanks unsustainable but bursting huge chunks of it.

Yet why you are able to push 200k EHP on Tengus with blaster range dps? -is it the ship it self the problem or the silliness of shield mods, oversize prop mods etc?

The whole mechanics seem ok but it's modules that are way way left out of balance hammer for whatever unexplainable reason, yet numbers are there and easy to figure out as long as you can fly and use them all in different pvp situations.

EVE playerbase in essence is a super-efficient spaceship optimization instrument. There's a ton of really smart people equipped with established and custom tools constantly pushing the envelope of what can be done with the myriad of toys CCP throws us, then combine this with a rapid testing environment full of unrelated operators flying, discussing, copying and improving the stuff others come up with.

It's only logical to expect this kind of machine coming up with extreme cases that developers couldn't predict, meaning that there will always be annoying outliers, OP ships and fits. Preemptive measures against these would result in a very boring game, but it would probably be good to react to these in a reasonable amount of time.

I do give props to CCP for improving their balancing times, stuff actually gets fixed now and current PVP meta is wonderfully heterogenic, fast-changing and level compared to what it was when I started EVE.

I call shenanigans. Post your fits for this epic armor tanking Legion/Abaddon. If they can do it at all, it's certain they are incapable of doing it for long, and are incapable of doing anything else but tank.

Stop trolling. 0/10

Im not taking about pve, i couldnt care less about it.

Im taking for numbers for blinged out (x type deadspace reppers and so on) pvp fits, with nobles, strong exiles and legion links.


(watch a old garmonation video for example, one of those armour repping ships easily broke 6k active tank)