Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok... is there any race that DOESN'T feel dumped on?

He is ignoring people who want an overpowered mess. This is a good thing.

The slot reduction is based on drone bonuses, not the size of the drone bay.

Well I figured It was bandwidth related.

Any slot related design is bad, would make sense if all weapons were similar and all boni would work together in a similar way. You have to lok at performance before you judge, is the ishtar able to have competetive ehp/dps/speed, or a good active tank? If yes, well then its fine.

Yes drones, but what does that have to do with missile damage? The Cerberus has the extra missile and can quite easily fit 3 BCUs. If you fit 3 BCUs on a Sac you'll have no tank and a very slow boat. The Cerb has a decent amount of extra range too.

I'm really liking both on paper at the moment, I'd not suggest for a second that the Sac is by far a better ship due to it's bonuses. They've just got different roles. Cerb is going to be a pretty awesome mid range dps ship if you are in a gang with tackle, combined with some Recon ships it'll be deadly.

Oh boy, 75 pages of the second HAC discussion....I feel like I need to make a few propositions for the HAC re-balance on the remote chance that any dev is still following this thread...

Sorry for the long read in advance, I had a lot on my mind


My two main concerns here are Sacrilege and Deimos.

Sacrilege, much like the Damnation is getting bonuses for heavy missiles which shows that you are expanding the Khanid ship doctrine, but it's obvious this is a recent idea because the Vengeance assault frigate has no bonuses to light missiles and missile range and regardless of the heavy missile bonus additions to the Sacrilege, I am convinced it will remain primarily a HAM platform which means close range combat.
Close range combat requires a bit more speed - let's not forget that it's an armor boat and with your changes to armor rigs that affect self repairing, Sacrilege could retain its role as a close range small gang brawler with very good self-repair capabilities even if you removed its awsome cap bonus, but the fact remains it has only 5 low slots.

I believe you should give the sacrilege a 6th low slot without butchering the highs and mids, and also, buff it's speed by at least another 20m/s because compared to Cerberus (which already has 220m/s speed with the ability to fit nanofibers without nerfing it's tank), the Sacrilege seems a bit underpowered. Considering Sacrilege is an armor boat, I would say a base speed of even 230 or 240m/s would not be overpowered...

The main thought behind these 2 simple changes I proposed is to make the Sacrilege a ship that people would WANT to train for because let's not forget that out of all HACs, Sacrilege is the biggest pain in the ass to train for, and right now, even with your suggested changes, it just remains little more than an eye candy.


As for the Deimos....oh god, where do I even start?

Deimos is supposed to be a specialized high dps blaster platform which, with the proposed medium long range turret buff might actually become a decent small - mid range kiting platform....

Deimos has many problems with the biggest one being that what ever task you set it to do, there is already some ship out there that does it better except perhaps close range (melee range) damage output which a Deimos pilot has literally no way of applying unless the target was already pointed and webbed by someone else (and let's not forget that the Vigilant is better than Deimos in almost every possible way, particularly with it's awsome dps what was supposed to be the main strength of the Deimos)
Compared to the Deimos, Cynabal and Vagabond are faster and can apply their damage quite easily with barrage ammo if the pilot judges that going into melee range would be too perilous - Deimos will never be sniping anything with it's falloff bonus and one look at the Eagle is enough to see that it is a sniping ship that is actually much much tougher than the Deimos which is supposed to be an ALL IN blaster brawler - Deimos shield/armor amount is horrible as well...

The 4th medium slot you gave to Deimos opens up an interesting possibility of fitting it like a Vagabond (MWD, long point and 2 shield extenders) but that is a setup which would suck because of the T2 Gallente shield resist setup - this setup works with the vagabond which has very uniform shield resists by default and it's very small kinetic hole can easily be fixed with a single rig and trying something similar with the Deimos would be horrible!
The Deimos needs a lot of work to become something that should be feared or at least something an EvE pilot would want to fly...

The biggest problem here are the ship bonuses - being a brawler I believe the Deimos should get a local rep bonus AND a tracking speed bonus because getting into blaster + void/antimatter range seriously screws with tracking and a some extra tracking will help a lot with any Deimos rail fits.

Something like this:

Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:
7.5% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret tracking speed

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff
10% Medium Hybrid Turret damage

The community wants the MWD cap bonus to go away, and the devs are determined to keep it, so I propose a solution here!
Make the Deimos MWD cap bonus be it's special ability - a flat 25% increase to MicroWarpdrive capacitor bonus and everyone will be happy....right?

Your proposed Deimos speed change is a step in the right direction.
Since Serpentis Vigilant is better at dps than Deimos, I propose you just give Deimos it's utility high slot back with an increase to the ship powergrid so we can fit something useful there (and if at all possible do this without removing the 4th medium slot)
Lastly, Deimos shield/armor amounts are criminally low, I propose you shave off 800 points of Deimos hull amount and re-distribute those points equally into shields and armor (400 points to each).

I am aware these changes are radical, and may seem too much to many people, but I am convinced Deimos needs these radical changes if you are determined to make it into a USEFUL ship! Otherwise, it is obvious Deimos will remain a ship no one wants to fly, not even as a bait ship.

The current proposed Deimos changes are as close to perfect as they're gonna get. I get frustrated with my fellow gallente pilots as they want every goddamn ship to brawl. How many brawlers does a race need?

If you've just gotta change the deimos more, please don't hurt its kiting ability. It looks awesome as it is now (including MWD bonus!)

Which is cool if they've decided on it, I just hope he doesn't nerf the shield hp, nor the cap too hard.

The vaga should get a shield HP buff and a little armour/structure to help it shield boost.