Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It seems like there are fitting problems for obvious goto weapons on a couple of ships (deimos, vaga come to mind) a fitting reduction for ranged weapons struck me as a possible solution for the deimos, but I'm not sure how keen peple are for arty vagas. Still, something that makes the preferred ( not trying to insist on rail deimos, just trying to be brief) weapons easier to fit without adding an open ended fittings buff might be worth a thought.

Generally this 2nd pass looks like some woryhwhile improvements. Thanks.

I generally don't post on these forums, but this is something I apparently care a lot about, which is somewhat surprising to be honest.

Minmatar Missile Boat Progression: Breacher > Talwar > (Hound) > Bellicose > 1/2 Huginn > Cyclone > Typhoon.
Minmatar Projectile Boat Progression: Everything else.

At least we also have the Fleet Scythe now I guess, but the point remains that EVERY other race has more options for each weapon system (except perhaps Amarr, which sort of has three systems: lasers, drones, missiles).

He was underlining a bit sarcasticaly that asking for your ship to be able to fit everything you can possibly need is unreasonable. You are asking too much sir, and it's not christmas yet.

Because if you think about it, the Vagabond can fit guns and ASB to profit from all of its bonus. You're only asking more without real reasons.

I love how people's understanding of the Vaga is:

If it can't fit an XL ASB, then **** it.


Player level competence trying to fit a BS sized mod on every cruiser class ship.... You know what, why not let it fit a 100mn AB too, and for that matter, get an agility boost when using it.

I would use the LASB. If it wasn't super-bad. So instead, I prefer to seriously gimp my ship and shoehorn an XLASB.

Let's try something alright, get a cruiser-class ship, doesn't matter which one. Then use a medium shield booster. Any medium shield booster except deadspace ones. And then see if it's of any use in PVP.

It's not.

Vaga: Well, can call it tweaking. I still find it not a good idea to be making it all fancy for ASB fits. But apparently, people don't fancy other bonuses instead, either.

Literally anything at all would be better than the MWD cap bonus; A hull bonus, tank bonus, a range bonus, a drone hit points bonus, an agility bonus... ANYTHING.

On second thought, a missile bonus would be even less useful. But I think that's about it.

well I guess these changes are final regardless any input we post since some of the ship changes where fairly well recived.

Agreed. Although, now you've got me thinking about a HAM Deimos... could be fun, or funny. But, seriously, I find it hard to believe that there is no compelling change besides a MWD bonus to make.

For those saying that Deimos pilots are asking too much, let me point something out. I don't care if the Deimos gets a single point more of DPS. I don't care if it gets the ability to fit neutrons with a 1600mm plate (been flying it with electrons for quite a while on two characters and think it works well enough). I don't care if it loses the utility high as long as the math works out to fit a comparable cap booster to make up for it, which it looks like it has. I don't care if it gets an active rep bonus (I buffer tank the thing most of the time or run a nos/repper setup). I don't care if it gets more speed (I catch most targets just fine, at least the ones the Deimos is intended to fight). I don't care if it or any other HAC gets an additional slot.

My point is simply this. Where CCP found no compelling bonus to give the Deimos, I find no compelling reason whatsoever to reduce its tank. I find no compelling reason, at all.

CCP_Rise, please be so kind as to explain why the Deimos needed a hit to its tank. I think by this point in the thread it's pretty obvious that no one has been able to grasp the reasoning behind it. Even those "defending" it are only saying its new tank is merely adequate, but no one has provided a reason it needs to be softer (cue the trolls). Is a blaster Deimos really supposed to be something we go Captain Ahab on targets with? If so, why is it as costly as it is?

**DEATH OF A DEIMOS**

Inspired by Moby D i c k

"And, he piled upon the great, white hump,
a sum of all the rage and hate.
If his chest had been a cannon,
he'd have shot his heart upon it."

Into the great, blue depths they fell
locked in a battle of wills,
neither caring to survive,
both hell bent to kill.
The outcome was certain,
as most seemed to know.
One's skin was so thin
his bones often showed.
The sea drank life
as it oozed from their hides
from the wounds they had dealt
on the turbulent tides.
Looking back to those depths,
the children would say,
"There sank Captain Deimos.
The whale got away."