Player Features and Ideas Discussion

allthough i dont agree with all they do i must say youre right.

Toyed around with the new EFT-files by the rote kapelle member (edit) Namamai!

mostly love ishtar/muninn till now: http://i.imgur.com/olf97WN.png and http://i.imgur.com/UROHMqP.png look like tons of fun to fly. There are so many more great fittings that are now possible.
Only strange that the Deimos has such a high basesig. Especially now with four mids, I don't see the point armortanking it anymore. The cap easily allows to mwd with an invuln running without even dropping a sweat, just everything about the Deimos cries for a shieldtank (given that for really large fleets you'll want a zealot anyways if aiming at armortank as rails and plate does not fit)
So why the high basesignature, you're currently getting blown up to 700+ meters, which even though less compared to earlier, is still a huge christmascandle. Adjustments downwards in anticipation of a shieldtank would be well favorable.

Balancing right?

Excuse me? How many years was winmatar the best at everything? How many years was winmatar the worst at everything?

How many years have the armor cap ships been supreme... Oh yeah, every year.

Until recently the entire hybrid weapon system was a complete joke.

well its a too expensive ship to throw into a brawl with 200mil vs 20 ish mil and the thorax tracks better and is harder to hit or you have the exqueror navy issue for this role too ..

Sorry, go watch the devs at Fansfest again, and read the forum comments of malcanis and mynnna.
They plan on destroying the T3 class.

They don't are one iota about anything the wh community says or cares about, since it does not support the goals of the null sec cartels.
Hence the T3's will be nerfed into the ground.

Because people want HACs to have a role instead of just "overpriced faction cruiser."


It takes 12 seconds for a MJD to fire up, that is plenty of time for a fast tackle to scramble it.

I have no idea what the 50% scrambler/disrupter thing is all about though.

Somebody else has probably already pointed this out, but I thought it would be useful to at least say it in case nobody has.

The reason that Assault Frigates don't completely outclass Tech 1 Frigates is because they have a ~15% ± 3% slower base speed. This pretty much ensures that they can't keep up with a Tech 1 Frigate unless they fit a microwarpdrive or fit specifically for speed and pick on slower targets. This is, of course, with the exception of the relationship between the Rifter and it's higher tech brother the Jaguar.

In this pass the Heavy Assault Cruisers are only 5% to 10% slower than the Tech 1 Cruisers. And already Tech 1 Cruisers are slow enough that most people feel the need to put a microwarpdrive on them. We're at a good place now with Tech 1 Cruisers being used a lot, but I feel that we're going to lose that if Heavy Assault Cruisers are buffed to this level without a downside (in addition to cost). (Edit: except the Eagle, which pretty much got hosed)

We already know that cost is not a significant enough deterrent. We know this through the proliferation of supercapitals. We know this through the proliferation of Strategic Cruisers. If the only deterrent to flying a Heavy Assault Cruiser is cost, pilots won't have a reason to choose Tech 1 Cruisers and we'll be back to the old days where elite PVP alliances will shun anyone who lowers themselves far enough to fly a Tech 1 Cruiser.

There may be some amount of hyperbole here, but my point is accurate.

New features are often confusing for people at first, I don't think that idea is more confusing than many of the successful new features that we have seen.

It certainly doesn't give kiters total safety. It just means that they can tackle and apply DPS to some targets while being outside of point range. It achieves that without increasing the actual damage projection or point range of the HACs themselves. They can still be tackled, they can still be killed. They gain the ability to operate in a range envelope that would otherwise be deadly to most ships, but outside that envelope they are still either in great danger or impotent.


Not scrambler, not web either. Just the disruptors, because the vast point ranges of today have a lot to do with how difficult skirmishing has become.

That and the lightning fast speed of on-grid probing has made hit-and-run far harder that it should be.

This is gameplay that needs to be encouraged, not stifled.

miniscule dps? All those HACs are running 400 to 600 dps upwards depending on the range/speed/tank you fit. It runs up to extreme examples as a nanoishtar aligning in less than 4 seconds and most of all permarunning mwds for around 1.5km/s in average for armor, far far higher for shieldtanks. Given their resilence and the overall stats, I really would personally dislike them going on a much further buff. Tweaks are great, but they are - as of now - quite closing the gap between HACs and combat fitted T3s. Cerb, Muninn, Deimos and Zealot atm all compare pretty well to their respective combatfits, with the exception of the more extreme configurations some T3s allow in the 100mn segment.
Combat fitted roughly tranlates to their respective correct offensive/propulsion sub with buffertanks and the eccm-sub. Surely HACs can't run those buffertanks, but on the side of damage projection and effective hardpoints, effectiveness of projected RR and general mobility, they are on par, slightly behind, about even and about even.

It costs me around 50mil to fit out a vexor, and it will probably cost me 200mil to fit out an ishtar. I think paying 4times is worth it here.

i guess my only point of confusion is why the ishtar is given two essentially conflicting bonuses. sentry ishtars arent likely to also be carrying heavies, and as some folks pointed out, ogres still are slower than any cruiser hull with a MWD, making them pretty much dead weight solo. for fleets, they're not even considerable.

i dunno, i just feel like the ishtar, while good now, is getting mutually exclusive bonuses. if you want specialisation, CCP, why give it bonuses that tread in the territory of split weapons? make it a sentry boat, or a heavy boat if you must, but your stated goal of a specialist boat is simply not realised here.

alternately, put a pause on the ship and turret balancing passes, and give drones the attention they have greatly lacked. i mean really, turrets have undergone multiple balancing passes over the last two years, drones got damage amps. while appreciated, more attention is needed, especially with the prevalence of drone fleet concepts out here in null.