Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Does anyone else fell like they are hitting their head against a brick wall?

Another big issue with these HAC changes which a lot of people have brought up is their price. They're simply not worth the isk, They were just about worth it back in 2010 when they were 90 mil a pop. Now they're 150 mil for these 8 ships that have been left far behind because of power creep in the game (Attack BCs, Faction Cruisers, revamped tech 1)

This is their chance to prove you wrong. I got the feeling you would love to be wrong. Hell i would love to be wrong too because i feel the same as you.

This is one case where I would love nothing more than to be wrong.
They were doing great up until now, their changes made sense and made ships worth the cost.

Now they are ignoring suggestions (except for giving the Ishtar more CPU) to make HACs viable and it doesn't look like they'll do a third round.

Navy mega are better than normal mega at most things but not by a lot.

Also you should look up our cruiser doctrines, the celestis is a very well like ship indeed. Easy to fly ships are very much wanted by the CFC. We aim out nerf requests towards things that need the bat for the wellbeing of the whole game. Why else would we demand tech nerfed?

we are pretty much seeing the same things said as before ....
All rise did was change things we didn't even ask for the most part and left the things that we do want to be changed as is...

Bottom line here is we are the customers and the vast majority of posters here are still unhappy on many small ship specifics like making the eagle a viable blaster ship with decent dps and on larger issues like price, role, viability, slots, dodgy bonuses, sig radius/mwd bonus...... and all he gave us was 5m/s on a few ships slightly more fittings on ships that you couldn't fit properly and lock range ... not sure why we need such high lock range... and granted some nice ecm resistance.

Translation:

"Thank you for all your constructive comments and suggestions, but we've decided that you don't really know what these ships are good at, or even what they should be used for. We do, and we're not going to tell you.

Suffice it to say that all of our previous assertions regarding Tech2 specializations were simply to give the playerbase some hope for the future, and after the massive boost given to the Tech1's and Navy cruisers, we are at a loss as to how to give the HAC hulls a distinct specialization, so we're going to conveniently ignore that part.

We already recognize that a few of these HACs will be popular, and the rest will remain on the shelf, so to speak, but as the number of popular HACs is anticipated to increase from the currently used two (Zealot and Vagabond) to FOUR (Zealot, Vaga, Ishtar and Cerb), we're pretty happy with that.

Again, thank you for all the time, effort and thought that you have put into two threads now. We know that you are passionate about having a gaming experience that is fun and rewarding, and understand that you saw a unique opportunity to enhance a game that we all love in an underused and much-needed area. Sorry it won't work out that way."

[/me is almost disgusted with herself for getting her hopes up]

Let's take a quick look at the 4 that will likely be popular in 1.1:

Zealot - The current baseline. Good sig (AB), great dmg projection, decent tank, holds up well under reps
Vagabond - 1/2 speed, 1/2 shield thank. only lacking *a little* in projection, otherwise fine
PROPOSED Ishtar - some nice changes here, only concern is that it's being forced into a shield tank role (ref. Gallente lore). :Drones: aside, great projection.
PROPOSED Cerberus - Finally enough dps, great projection, nice speed

What I see all of these having in common? DPS, and the ability to apply that DPS. These feature a winning combination of Speed, Sig, DPS and dmg projection. A large portion of their survivability comes directly from the T2 resist profiles, but also have the capability of fitting a significant tank without unduly impacting the ability to land hits on target.

Now for the other 4. Perhaps not surprisingly, these four are the ones that don't have the combination of speed & projection...

Sacrilege - Slow as balls. Option to EITHER fit tank OR fit dps, and even if you fit dps it's still not going to be impressive. Bonus to HML is nice, but low dps makes that fit unlikely. Bonus to HAM range will mitigate speed disadvantage somewhat, but closing range will still be an issue. Used to be able to dual active tank like a boss... not so much soon(TM).
RECOMMENDATION FOR VIABILITY: Keep the dps where it is, change the missile velocity bonus to explosion radius or explosion velocity. 25m3 drones. +1 low or move the utility high to a low. (personal wish list: Please roll the whole cap bonus into the hull).

Eagle - Also slow as balls. Slower than even the Sac. How is this thing supposed to brawl? Is it supposed to brawl? Dual optimal range bonuses imply 'sniper,' but that's a role better filled by ABC's. The only HAC of these four that has only a single damage bonus, giving it weaker raw dps than pretty much anything with a cruiser-sized gun mount.
RECOMMENDATION FOR VIABILITY: If you want it to be able to brawl, drop one optimal bonus for another damage bonus to give it some alpha. Increase speed to 200 so it can compete. If you're going for a dedicated sniper platform, then drop the shield resist bonus for extra tracking. Medium rails will thank you.

Deimos - It can bring the pain, it just has trouble bringing it close enough... Especially if you take 10-15% of its raw hit points away. The MWD capacitor bonus is rendered superfluous by the proposed cap recharge rates. Personal pet peeve: Why do the Gallente hulls have more structure hit points than shield or armor? Haven't they read the "Hull Tanking Elite" certificate writeup?
RECOMMENDATION FOR VIABILITY: Don't be daft - give this thing some armor hit points to work with. Also, drop the MWD bonus in favor of a bonus that either allows blaster dps to be applied at range or increases tracking. This thing already does beastly dps, so reduce the dronebay to 25m3. Web range bonus might also be an option.

Munin - Good arty platform, but completely overshadowed by Tornadoes. Optimal range bonus does ~nothing for autocannons. Only 3 mids severely limits the fitting options.
RECOMMENDATION FOR VIABILITY: Give Autocannons some love. Change the 10% optimal bonus to 5% optimal and 5% falloff. Smooth the T2 resist profile on this one to be slightly more uniform. Boost armor HP to 2200. Consider moving the utility high to a mid.

For these last four, can you PLEASE consider a different Role bonus than the MWD bloom? And PLEASE consider 16 fitting slots?

Still throwing in my 2 cents, even though I honestly doubt Rise is actually listening...

We also welcomed with open arms things like the titans, t3 cruisers and ABC.

Its only level 4 mission income we are talking about, hardly something special.

Please leave the mid slots on the Ishtar alone. That ship is in a good place.