Crime & Punishment

just to prove you're lost I pulled some of the wars with PIRAT and Dark Homeworld. The results:

Marmite killed 1.2 billion isk
Dark/Pirat killed 4.9 billion isk AND that's only final blow reports.

They rofl stomp you. Not the way I rofl stomp you, because what I've done is in excess of 10 billion in less than a week.

The rest of what you say are lies, so Danalee you're a terrible representative for Marmite - your combat record is worse than my probing alts and you have 0 knowledge of the game... your trolling is worst than Jerry Rin.

I'm done with you.

Seems you lost the debate, but won the "I am a troll award".

Btw I was the one who gave Ynot Eyob dfrom Obsidian Front your POS bash location so he could kill you all. That typhoon kill with all the stealth bombers was nice, so was the Tempest loss. Ask him.

/emote looks at war with rebirth/sloth team six/serious space holding alliance

...yeah marmite are definantely winning! keep up the good fight chaps! /endsarcasm

This is happening much quicker than anticipated.

"Clients" paying ISK to hire Marmite, would be foolish to do so at this point in time, as the entire alliance docks up and flees like a mouse would when you turn the lights on.

Pretty funny, coming from someone who was a hardcore marmite before getting kicked for killing a corpmate. You're blowing smoke at whoever will listen....theyre aint too many who will.
MYM8 FTW

LMAO that is what Tora would like you to believe.

Do a little digging, you will find that assumption is incorrect and the end result, not the cause.

I tend to avoid insulting another players ignorance but I can't bite my tongue on this one.

First of all, just because you have a good efficiency does not mean you are actually PVPing. I could kill orcas all day without dying then come on the forums bragging about my "efficiency". Maybe efficiently killing something that doesn't shoot back? Does that mean you are in the same boat as the miners? They efficiently attack the rocks while never missing. Their efficiency on evekill is 100% which is a lot higher than yours.

Secondly, your amount of kills doesn't mean jack **** if they are primarily composed of "stat boosters".

stat boosters= noob ships, mining ships, freighters, jump freighters, PVE ships

Once you take away all of the ships on your killboard that fall under "stat boosters" we can begin to discuss pvp. You see you walked into this argument with arrogance. Logically that will be your downfall.

After taking away all of the isk you destroyed that fall under "stat boosters" Marmite isn't really looking like a PVP alliance as this title suggests. When it comes down to fights I haven't seen very many that Marmite has actually won that are worth mentioning. The only evidence that suggests marmite is a pvp alliance is your 54 billion isk in losses. Yes those ships were pvp fit.

With all of this said I can now clearly restructure your quote to better fit your alliances position.

"We always get stomped by true pvp entities and always will. Yes our efficiency and amount killed proves that we are quite good at killing indies and mission runners but we must kill those to keep our efficiency above 50% to call ourselves a pvp alliance. Month after month we are straying farther and farther away from true pvp."

I will restructure your sentence again if you prove to me, and now us, that you are a true pvp alliance.

My definition of true pvp: Undocking to destroy another players ship that is fit to destroy MINE.

That was well written, thoughtful and to the point. I wonder if they'll get it now.

See, that is more like it, thank you Zeus for your post.

I see what you mean and it does put my stand in perspective. Your play style evolved and I’m sure in time mine will to.

Allow me to try and add some more information and maybe we meet in the middle.

You see, I’ve played this fantastic game for a while, this isn’t my first character.
80% of the time, I did the industrial and PVE side and enjoyed the community while doing so,
it’s but recent months I’ve explored the world of PVP, starting in null sec for a short while
(costing me a hilarious Orca loss with every single item in it I owned at that point in time ),
going back to hisec due to machinations above my head.

Then I tried lowsec and did so with some degree of success.
Made a lot of new friends and succeeded in forming up against some of the bigger pirate alliances there,
I’ll tell you it was a blast. I know it’s a game, know it all too well,
but the adrenaline rush from fighting real players with ‘real’ stakes…
Never experienced such a thing in the 25 Years I’ve been playing computer games.

Than we got back stabbed by a bunch of self proclaimed anti-pirates which resulted in us going back to hisec.
I loved every bit of it. The fighting, the diplomacy, winning and losing, the cloak and dagger stuff, everything.

Haven’t regretted a second in marmites, I’m playing with the big boys now.
They’ll scold me for saying so but these guys are all cool in their own way (heck I even kind of like Vegas for his storytelling capabilities and leadership skills he obviously has).
Against my expectations, they aren’t all about stats and being elite PVP’ers, I see that as a plus.
It’s this camaraderie and relaxed fun I look for in any multiplayer game, hence I don’t feel as if we got stomped or anything,
in the end we might have lost a battle but we did it together and laugh about it afterwards (well… maybe a short while later anyways )
after all, FUN is to be had. I don’t care for ‘real PVP’ and neither should you unless you feel this is the only way for you to have your fun.
If so, more power to you.

Now Marmites are a merc alliance in every sense of the word, there is no denying that.

The goons, test, et all are hardly carebears, do you agree? Any one of these groups should be able to hell camp us until we quit but yet they don’t. In fact, we kick theirs and I like it.
Some clients want us to wage war against mining corps and other PVE groups. We do that, we like it.
Some people have been faux-offended and want revenge, we do that, we like it.
Sometimes, someone talks big and gets wardecced by us, we like it.
You might not remember me, but I once hired your alliance to go kill some miners.
You guys failed at it but I’ve been told (by you at that time) that you had fun. For me, that was isk well invested. I liked it.

What I’m trying to say;
In the grand scheme of things we really don’t care for the machinations of one guy and his followers,
we really don’t (you’ll say that this wall of text proves otherwise, so be it, I had fun writing it )
I’m just trying to demonstrate both sides of the story. Who are you to judge?
This thread is a recruitment thread and a means to find more ‘jobs’,
as long as the VegasLegion keeps trying to **** it up, I’ll be here to provide a counter.

One could wonder why he is so eager to please.

D.

link the killboard again danlee and I will direct everyone's attention to your loss board, cause that is mostly the only place we show up, Roflstomping your ships