Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Seems like everyone wants the Vagabond to be able to brawl, skirmish, kite and be used to take the kids to school with one fit. Those days are over, thank Goddess.

AB speed is roughly 1k/s (unheated!).
Signature has no bloom so remains at 115m.
AC tracking is notoriously/hilariously godly and capless.
ASB's are notoriously/hilariously broken godly and capless.
Base DPS is ~500+ using 220's w. faction ammo (duh!) and twin Gyros.
Each XLASB cycle will restore 60%+ of total shields on a ship from a race with the single best resist profile in game (not that it will ever be needed considering the speed/sig profile).*
A single ACR and a 1-2% implant gives you a LSEII on top of the XLSAB, effectively doubling base EHP.

If you cannot make that work then you should be prohibited from flying anything 'brawler' forever more.

* The ability to burst tank in excess of 1k dps in a ship that is unlikely to take any damage at all once 'in range' is beyond words, nothing bar blobs or 90% webs will even scratch that thing.

PS: It will be nigh invincible for as long as links are available off-grid (above with +speed, -sig, +scram range .. /shudder), so hurry over to the relevant threads and troll them into lockage while you still have time!

This prolly has been mentioned already but whats up with that huge EHP nerf on the deimos? With that much base HP removed we're talking about 10k+ EHP removed and I think that was a very unnecesary change, only thing that keeps it ahead of the thorax now is the resists. Deimos should be able to compete with battlecruisers as a brawler but with that hp nerf that's not gonna happen.

He has been trolling this entire thread.

The changes are not bad at all I think. People simply had this insane vision of roflpwnmobiles since T1 got such a heavy buff more or less across the board since 90% of them were useless. Linear increase in performance, exponential increase in cost.
ITT: People don't know what exponential means.

What is the point of having Cake if you can't eat it?

But I think you are wrong, the common trend is that people want HACs that have clear roles and that are worth 150mil extra over the normal T1 and 50mil extra for the Navy Ships. Right now outside the Ishtar and the Zealot they are not.

To be honest since the T1 cruiser rebalance the only T2 cruiser that has a clear role over a T1 has been the HIC hulls. I think more people would be satisfied if HACs had a similar clear defined role. What is the purpose of a HAC, and what advantage do you have flying it over, the T1 cruisers, Navy Cruiser, ABC, Navy BC, or CBCs? Right not too many. According to CCP's own plan those T1 ships are suppose more general and able to be a bit more adaptable. As a T2 ship a HAC should have clear area where it is maybe not king, but at least Duke or Crown Prince.

Zealots role, low sig heavy tank fleet ship...check, Ishtar low sig heavy drone (sentry) platform...check. Are the clearly better than their T1 counterparts...Yes. Are similar ships hulls or types of ships still useful and have role...yes. Harby cheaper, but at cost of higher sig. Vexor Navy Issue, cheaper more light - medium drone platform.

Does the Deimos have a clear role, no cause the DPS it has within reasonable range of the T1, and EVI, while being out DPSed by a gank Brutix. Okay Shield Rail Kite? While it beats the Thorax, it is still too close to the EVI DPS wise and the EVI is faster. And of course the Talos will still outdo it as Kiter. Does it have clear role? No it doesn't. The Eagle is in the same boat as two ships the Naga and Rohk both do what it supposed to at long range better. And as a brawler it has some promise, but the lack of a damage bonus means that it will be hard press to get enough DPS out to be truly effective.

Right now most Navy Ships, All Pirate ships, and tech 3 ships are better HACs than the HACs are. Why, simple HAC's have no clear goal. Everyone (including myself) have a different ideas on what that goal supposed to be, but with so many other ships that fill their "supposed role" as good (Navy Cruisers, CBC's) or better (Pirate Cruisers, Navy BC's, ABC's, and Tech 3's) people with either choose the cheaper ship because it more of throw away or more the expensive ship because it has better survivability.

That is what I read on this thread

How? By showing you fits that prove that HAC's are better than their T1 versions? By providing fits and stats that show you that they are usable and better than ABC's in several instances?

Please point out exaclty, in context, what I have written that prove that I'm an idiot and suck at this game.

I'm sorry mate but last time i checked the Caracal had 4 lows.

I find this worrying to say.

But I agree with W0lf, Vaga is bad, its still going to be bad after the buff, its just going to have a useless bonus to boot, it needs better projection and a slight DPS bump, Im not asking for it to brawl or for it to have more EHP or for it to be faster, I just wan't it to actually be able to kill something in a reasonable amount of time.

I don't have an ETA for Singularity unfortunately. We are having some trouble getting stuff moved there atm and we aren't sure when it will be resolved completely. Will be before 1.1 release of course, so hopefully theres enough time for us to react a bit to sisi testing before it goes live.

My position on the Vagabond remains relatively unchanged. Its the second most popular HAC after Zealot currently, doing about as much damage per day in PVP as Maelstrom or Apocalypse or Maller or Omen or Cyclone. From there we are giving it significant buffs in this pass in the form of mitigation through the role bonus, added cap recharge, added electronics stats, and a new free bonus to shield boosting. I'm happy to concede that the Cynabal makes it seem like the Vaga should be better, but as I've said, this is a problem with the Cynabal not the Vaga. I think the Vaga is probably at the very bottom of the list of HACs that I would worry about.

These numbers are however completly irrelevant for balancing (because they have absolutly nothing to do with how a ship performs, its just shows how many people fly it), and if the vaga was the most used ship of the game it still would be crap.

Youa re STUPID or what? rtead my post. I propose changes to make using XLASB HARDER, but instead make peopel use dual LASB.!!!

Aff the stupidity of so many matari haters amazes me