Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Does round 2 of HAC changes.

Still doesn't actually fix the Vagabond in any way shape or form.

Just to reiterate, the problem the Vaga has had has NEVER EVER EVER been tanking or dealing with incoming damage, its its ability to actually kill anything in a reasonable amount of time.

Its range got ****** even further by the TE nerf and its DPS has always been sub-par, PLEASE CCP GIVE IT MORE DPS AND RANGE or its just another sub-par T2 ship.

I think that compared to the T1 most the T2 ships are sub-par. Outside the Ishtar and Zealot.

Hello again

Thank you CCP Rise, that you have reconsider your changes to the HAC class.
1-st post was looking so promising ... THEN FAIL!!!

Thank you for wasting my time.
You can fly your new HAC your self... I personally will not Pay 150+ mil isk for ship:

Slower then or equal to T1
Less DMG then or equal to T1

Sure I am happy, that falcons will have hard time jamming it !

Example:
Deimos: Nice you changed it to a shield ship, however it only takes one Nado to and one shot. Thank you :)
Also the lack of tracking bonus mean that the TORAX t1 variant will project its dps much better!! And we all know Torax has the same dps as the T2 ship... nice!

So tell me why should i buy 1x 150 mil Deimos instead of taking 5x Torax (30mil with the t2 fit ) ?

Vagabond
CCP RISE please make us another of your graphics, but this time instead of Sacrelige, put the Vagabond as a target!
And then tell me how well i can control my time in the engagement whit that ship Except suddenly everyone start to fly solo taloses, in any other engagement you will hardly have time to aline and warp out...
ACTIVE BONUS ON A SHIP WITHOUT BUFFER IS A WASTE OF TIME!

So disappointed again! If we compare those changes to the previews changes, nothing much has changed other then the eccm and cap bonuses.


A T2 ship with less or same dps as the T1 variant is a waste of Time
MWD bonus on a cruser ship... Well if you lower the tracking on the large guns it might work.. other then that keep playing whit the graphs :)


P.S. Well I wish that Kil 2 was in charge of changing ships ... Instead we are stuck whit this CCP Rise Dude, trying to convince us that EVE is played based on EFT graphs ...

I don't think you actually know the deal with Minmatar...
They are supposed to have lower dps than other races because you can select types of damage, and you have superior speed to outrun everyone.

And for the love of god, have some imagination. Everyone and their grandmothers are comparing everything to the Talos.
Try this for example?

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[NEW Vagabond, test]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I

Hobgoblin II x5

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350 dps out to point range, enough tank to hold off drones for a loooong time, and TD to screw the large guns even further with your superior speed and now signature.

Have fun fighting more than 1 thing mate?

Sweet, your Deimos costs 15x as much as your Thorax and only does 150 dps more while having just under twice as much HP.
(that hp is crap fyi)
Oh, and the t1 Thorax is faster.

Sounds like a solid investment.

No, vaga needs more damage at range or it would be even better as a brawler, there a couple of ways of doing this.

Give it a second falloff bonus

or

give it a chunk of extra pg and a tracking bonus, making it a capable arty kiter.



No matter what you do, the vaga needs a lot more speed. It simply is to slow, the "best" kiting cruiser shouldnt be slower then a shield thorax with a single nano.


It needs to break 2.8km/s or even more without heat.

Having two ships that fit the same role doesn't make one obsolete. The Navy Raven serves the same purpose as the Raven with some added benefit. Ditto the Navy Mega and Mega. How abouy the Comet? Or the Navy Slicer? All of these fill the same purpose as another ship. The benefit to the Vigilant is the web bonus and role bonus to damage. It's a ship that allows a pretty new player to put out Deimos-like numbers without the training time of a HAC. That benefit comes at a high isk cost.

The Deimos, from the beginning, was supposed to be the ultimate blaster cruiser. Read its description. The Vigilant can do it, too, just in a different way for a different kind of player.

EDIT, Double post

Because that 1 ship is never going to have backup, that never happens in EVE like ever.