Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They are both actually. You don't see Amarr Tech 2 ships with improved shield resists do you? Gallente? How about Tech 2 armor resists for Caldari? No, my concern is that the Muninn has, up until this time, Tech 2 shield resists, which wasn't that great for a 3 midslot sniper HAC. So, with the higher armor rate and significantly more low-slots, it is reasonably for me to ask if the Tech 2 bonuses that were normally applied to shields, were instead going to be applied to the armor on the Muninn.

As always with Fozzie and I there is only Soon no Soon tm

If you feel cheated because of the Ishtar "only having three bonuses" you may want to consider that actually it has 7

Sentry drone optimal
Sentry drone tracking
Heavy drone mwd speed
Heavy drone tracking
Drone damage
Drone hitpoints
Drone control range

Counting bonuses is usually not an effective way to evaluate a ship, many of our bonuses are actually combinations of bonuses so it rarely makes sense. As the Dominix has proven, Drone tracking and range bonuses are extremely powerful and the combination of this with the rest of the improvements for HACs makes the Ishtar look very scary.

Glad you saw the wisdom in not wasting a bonus slot on a useless bonus.



You have got to be shitting me.

I love my Domi's increased optimal range and tracking, and I think it's cool that the Ishtar is getting a similar treatment, but does it really NEED the extra optimal? Why not give it a speed and tracking bonus to ALL drones and just ditch the optimal buff altogether? It is a cruiser with a MWD role bonus, does it really need to be able to track and snipe anything within 85k simply with Guard IIs? It's nice that you're trying to give Heavies a place, but that is a very niche bonus, so why not let lights and mediums share in the fun?

Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:
7.5% bonus to Drone velocity per level
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage per level

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
5 km bonus to Drone operation range per level
7.5% bonus to drone tracking speed per level

I would think that +speed and +tracking would help the mobile drones apply damage just as well as +optimal and would also cut back on the power creep that is an optimal range buff to sentries. I'll fully admit, though, that I don't know diddly about the math involved behind how light/medium/heavy drones keep up with and track their target, so maybe making them go really fast would actually hurt them in some way.

Anyways, I appreciate all the work that goes into this.

I will not fly any of this ships anytime soon, but the Munnin sounds so... meeh.
For what I understood in this thread it is used in a very small niche, I really hope it is bloody AWESOME in that so small niche, otherwise it is just a waste.

I'm pretty happy with the changes in general as listed. I like the 50% MWD bloom reduction bonus, and I also like the other changes that were rolled in for sensor strength, lock range and cap recharge.

As for specific ships:

Sacrilege: Sad to see the Sac lose its cap regen bonus (because it was always hilarious with active-rep Sacs, and even more so with the AARs added to the game), but the range bonus is a good trade imo, especially with the addition of HMLs to the missile damage bonus it has.
Zealot: This ship was already in pretty good shape balance-wise, so I'm cool with the lack of (significant) change here.

Cerberus: I like the addition of another launcher slot, though that utility high that's being used to replace it is pretty useful (we don't talk about Tristans and Cerbs, k). I'm not entirely sold on keeping the kinetic damage bonus, though.
Eagle: I've never actually flown an Eagle, but increased fitting, plus the changes to medium railguns, make this sound like it might be fun to try out sometime.

Deimos: I can't really express how glad I am to see the Deimos keeping its MWD cap penalty reduction bonus (the Thorax losing it as part of the first round of Tiericide made me very sad), though I will miss that utility highslot a bunch. On the other hand, the added midslot will mean that you can have dualprop and both a scram and a web on it if you go blasters, and this makes me very happy, because it was one of the annoying limitations of going dualprop with the Deimos.
Ishtar: Very happy with the changes here. The changed bonuses solidly put it into the droneboat category it belongs in as a Creodron ship, and make it an appetizing alternative to the Navy Vexor. Rolling the drone bay bonus into the base stats was also a very good idea; it was one bonus that always annoyed me with both the Ishkur and Ishtar. And of course, the increase to fitting, especially the CPU, has been needed since the dark ages of EVE. Just go look on omgrawr for further details.

Vagabond: I think the new shield boost bonus makes the Vagabond a much more attractive ship for soloing/small-gang warfare while also not reducing the effectiveness of the current standard Vagabond fit in fleet use. Pretty happy with the changes here.
Muninn: I've never flown a Muninn, so I can't really say much here to these changes.

Are the slightly reduced drone bonuses of the Ishtar hinting at a change to the Dominix's bonuses? They seem immensely powerful on TQ, 10% Optimal bonus seems fine for a BS, but the tracking bonus is a bit much and I would like to see it toned down or removed/replaced.

Berserkers from a Dominix with two TC's have the effective tracking (yes, taking in to account signature radius) of a 200mm small Autocannon!

How come you made changes to specific drones on the Ishtar? I think you should have a drone MWD bonus instead of the split, and then still have the tracking/optimal range. The Ishtar was better with the last bonus if you ask me, the fitting is a nice change though.

Much better changes but I still think the deimos should keep its utility high, if it did it would be an excellent small gang brawler, as the changes are now it's just an inferior zealot with a drone bay. The utility high is also one of the things that differentiated it from the blaster proteus

I particularly love the sensor strength buffs, deth2all falcones

Would you still be sad if it were simply rolled into the hull?