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Edudimicate Me On XLASB Proteus

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-07-27 16:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Ok so I have covert ops Proteus and I'm being told shield fit is fail. Tellmd why?

Subs
Aug Plating
Power Core
Cov Ops
CPU Efficiency
Grav

Rigs
2 x EM I
Hybrid damage rig II (forgot which one)

Highs
Cov Ops Cloak
5 x Heavy Nuetron II

Mids
Cal Navy MWD
DG Scram
XLASB
Adap Invul II

Lows
3 x Mag Stab II
2 x TE II
DCU


So it gives me a 1500 ms 6.8 align, 618 / 711 overheated, 1487 HP per booster (I have some crystal imps) covert Prot.

Im interested to know why its considered such a bad fit. Please explain? Using this for solo ganking in deep null hub.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2013-07-27 16:23:44 UTC
It's inefficient. The Proteus has no shield tank subsystems and you have no shield hardeners. While your ASB might seem effective at repairing some superficial damage, it's probably the most inefficient method of tanking (combined with your lack of hardeners) you could have chosen.
Xequecal
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-07-27 16:24:21 UTC
Good luck applying much DPS to anything with those blasters with no web.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-07-27 16:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Riot Girl wrote:
It's inefficient. The Proteus has no shield tank subsystems and you have no shield hardeners. While your ASB might seem effective at repairing some superficial damage, it's probably the most inefficient method of tanking (combined with your lack of hardeners) you could have chosen.

It has an adaptive invul in fourth mid. I think it comes to EM 64 Therm 90 Ken 91 Expl 78. With XLASB giving 14000 pure shield HP for 9 activations thats going to be around 70k EHP.

Also in regards to web, if they have AB on maybe but Im attacking BS / BC so with scram can easily keep up and big targets for med blasters.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Battle BV Master
Bacon Never Dies
#5 - 2013-07-27 16:32:54 UTC
70k is only a couple 100k lower than an armor one.

That and the no web, blasters need help hitting things.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2013-07-27 16:35:41 UTC
EFT tells me it's 29k EHP. That's less than my Maller.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#7 - 2013-07-27 16:39:12 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Cal Navy MWD
.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-07-27 16:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Battle BV Master wrote:
70k is only a couple 100k lower than an armor one.

That and the no web, blasters need help hitting things.

Its covert ops.

Its 37k on mine. You're maller doesnt have a XLASB though.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#9 - 2013-07-27 16:39:45 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
1400 pure shield HP for 9 activations

That's 1400 rep over 5 seconds. 280 raw HPS vs whatever DPS your opponent has for 45 seconds. After that, you're stuck with your paper thin buffer.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-07-27 16:48:42 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
1400 pure shield HP for 9 activations

That's 1400 rep over 5 seconds. 280 raw HPS vs whatever DPS your opponent has for 45 seconds. After that, you're stuck with your paper thin buffer.

Has to be more than that, EFT is giving me 1400 hp ps active repping. Engaged Oracle and Drake so far and tank was unbreakable.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Whitehound
#11 - 2013-07-27 16:54:57 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Using this for solo ganking in deep null hub.

Does it work for you?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#12 - 2013-07-27 17:05:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Has to be more than that, EFT is giving me 1400 hp ps active repping. Engaged Oracle and Drake so far and tank was unbreakable.

That Oracle took you into 5% hull and you only survived because he ran out of cap and escaped. You said so earlier.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-07-27 17:05:38 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Using this for solo ganking in deep null hub.

Does it work for you?

Appears to but if theres a better tank with similiar DPS it would be nice to know about it. I'm curious as to what the big deal is, hoping for some sort of explanation of why its so bad.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-07-27 18:26:54 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Has to be more than that, EFT is giving me 1400 hp ps active repping. Engaged Oracle and Drake so far and tank was unbreakable.

That Oracle took you into 5% hull and you only survived because he ran out of cap and escaped. You said so earlier.

Nah i took the oracle into hull with full shield but forgot to switch off ASB autorepeat, capped myself out lol. Got him to 5% hull while I lost my shield and armor but had to warp out 40% hull.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Whitehound
#15 - 2013-07-27 18:44:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Using this for solo ganking in deep null hub.

Does it work for you?

Appears to but if theres a better tank with similiar DPS it would be nice to know about it. I'm curious as to what the big deal is, hoping for some sort of explanation of why its so bad.

The big deal is likely envy - envy on having found a working fitting that did not come out of a cookie cutter dispenser.

Just for fun did I take a look at its stats and tried to recreate it as an armor fitting. Instead of using an active tank did I make it a buffer tank that matches your eHP with the ASB taken into account. Your ship has got 35k eHP and the ASB will regenerate another 35k eHP before it needs to reload and so my goal was to get above 70k eHP while keeping the DPS. After that did I give it a faction web and increased the range of the scram with the friction subsystem to give it an edge. The stats are:

74k eHP (+4k eHP), 631 DPS (same), 1272 m/s (-160 m/s)
Scram range: 15.8km (+5.3km)
Web range: 14km (-)
Cost: 596m ISKs (+78m ISKs)

When you use a slave implant set with it does it have 108k eHP. The MAAR I will add another 14k eHP over 72 seconds, which are not taken into account in the above numbers.

Enjoy!

[Proteus, Infinity Ziona]

Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Federation Navy 10MN Microwarpdrive
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator II

Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#16 - 2013-07-28 12:17:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Whitehound has it right on the subs.

Quote:
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier


Is the optimal configuration, by far. Gives the critical 5 guns, give the massive boost to scram range, and makes it lickety-fast without consuming much cap.

Now, let's talk mods.

You can, if you want to get a little bit of that speed back, trade some EHP for it by swapping to a Tungsten plate, which drops about 2600 EHP in exchange for about 1,000,000 less mass addition. Your choice, they are more or less the same price anyway.

Also, I would try and go for faction mag stabs, but only two, because with stacking penalties fitting one T2 and two faction is the same thing anyway.

Now, you might look at it and think that the tracking enhancers are gone, it will apply less dps. Not with the web(moreso with a Fed Navy web). It's application should be just about the same. The web also counters the small loss of speed from fitting an armor tank, and since you are a cloaky anyway, you should be able to get within tackle range (14km for full tackle) easily. Furthermore, I would make that faction scram into a Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler. It has a warp scram level of 3 (I know, it's OP as hell), which makes it possible to catch and nail someone with a warp stab. This is beyond hilarious, half the time they will yell at you and accuse you of haxx, and try to petition their loss, even after you link them the mod.

As he mentioned, just on it's buffer alone it has a bit better tank than your Proteus. With the Ancillary Armor Repairer added into the mix, it has a bit of burst rep too (although this will make you lug around cap boosters, but with your fit you were doing that anyway)

The benefit of this hybrid buffer/rep setup is that it works well for the style of combat you want to use it for. If you're in a safe situation, you can just unload the repper, and just rep back up from any damage taken.

With this fit, you won't have any issues of self sustainability until you run out of ammo. (by the way, using Blockade Runners to leave ammo drops throughout your hunting grounds is not a bad idea, honestly. Just anchor a secure can here and there at safe spots with as much faction ammo as you can cram into it. I like to do it nearby people's POS'es, to fool people using D-scan. You'd be surprised how long people will just leave it alone.)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-07-28 12:47:22 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Whitehound has it right on the subs.

Quote:
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier


Is the optimal configuration, by far. Gives the critical 5 guns, give the massive boost to scram range, and makes it lickety-fast without consuming much cap.

Now, let's talk mods.

You can, if you want to get a little bit of that speed back, trade some EHP for it by swapping to a Tungsten plate, which drops about 2600 EHP in exchange for about 1,000,000 less mass addition. Your choice, they are more or less the same price anyway.

Also, I would try and go for faction mag stabs, but only two, because with stacking penalties fitting one T2 and two faction is the same thing anyway.

Now, you might look at it and think that the tracking enhancers are gone, it will apply less dps. Not with the web(moreso with a Fed Navy web). It's application should be just about the same. The web also counters the small loss of speed from fitting an armor tank, and since you are a cloaky anyway, you should be able to get within tackle range (14km for full tackle) easily. Furthermore, I would make that faction scram into a Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler. It has a warp scram level of 3 (I know, it's OP as hell), which makes it possible to catch and nail someone with a warp stab. This is beyond hilarious, half the time they will yell at you and accuse you of haxx, and try to petition their loss, even after you link them the mod.

As he mentioned, just on it's buffer alone it has a bit better tank than your Proteus. With the Ancillary Armor Repairer added into the mix, it has a bit of burst rep too (although this will make you lug around cap boosters, but with your fit you were doing that anyway)

The benefit of this hybrid buffer/rep setup is that it works well for the style of combat you want to use it for. If you're in a safe situation, you can just unload the repper, and just rep back up from any damage taken.

With this fit, you won't have any issues of self sustainability until you run out of ammo. (by the way, using Blockade Runners to leave ammo drops throughout your hunting grounds is not a bad idea, honestly. Just anchor a secure can here and there at safe spots with as much faction ammo as you can cram into it. I like to do it nearby people's POS'es, to fool people using D-scan. You'd be surprised how long people will just leave it alone.)

Sounds good, thank you :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-07-29 14:56:29 UTC
lol @ active tank Proteus without cap booster/NOS and drones

Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

work from there, or swap the buffer for the active subsys.

.

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-07-29 19:35:32 UTC
Roime wrote:
lol @ active tank Proteus without cap booster/NOS and drones

Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

work from there, or swap the buffer for the active subsys.




It's effective enough when you don't find any neuts or cloak neuting ship jumping over you meaning it's a very flimsy bet on other players inability to think.

I'm however like you, Proteus without cap injector is a no way for me, without web not much of a problem (18km heat scram helps)

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-07-30 07:15:02 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Roime wrote:
lol @ active tank Proteus without cap booster/NOS and drones

Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

work from there, or swap the buffer for the active subsys.




It's effective enough when you don't find any neuts or cloak neuting ship jumping over you meaning it's a very flimsy bet on other players inability to think.

I'm however like you, Proteus without cap injector is a no way for me, without web not much of a problem (18km heat scram helps)

Its not an active shield tanker, its more a buffer shield fit with the buffer in the charges. ASB cant be capped out by nuets.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

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