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Question about mining yields

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Phei Hsui
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-07-26 19:27:12 UTC
Hi everyone,

I feel like mining is the profession I'd like to go into as I start my career in Eve. For the first few days I hung around in 1.0-.8 space mining the 3 basic ores, trying to figure out how to get the most out of my time and cargo hold space.

Today I decided to try an area of space a bit riskier, .7 - .6 still high sec sure, but hey, baby steps. I found a new ore type there, Omber.

I'm trying to figure out how this works, because when I read the description of a particular piece of ore, it tells me what the approx. cost per unit is. Omber by far has the highest value per unit that I have seen so far. And yet, a cargo hold full of Massive Scordite is more valuable than a cargo hold full of Golden Omber.

I guess my question is, are there skills I need to be training to get better results from mining rarer ores, or is there equipment I need to be buying? For context, in 1.0-.8 space I had been using a Venture fitted with two Miner ii lasers. When I traveled to mine for Omber I only used Miner i lasers (I wanted to see what the area was like before I risked what to me is at this time a big part of my wealth). Is the answer as simple as that? I've looked around at various wiki articles, but haven't found anything specific yet.

Thanks for any input Smile
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-07-26 19:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Donbe Scurred
Relevant

Take note of the volume of the different ores, that is where the answer to your confusion lies.

While you can increase your yield by skilling, you cannot decrease the volume of the ore. So what your cargohold holds, is what it holds.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-07-26 19:36:21 UTC
different ores take up different amounts of space

1 unit of veldspar is 1 m3
1 unit of scordite is 2 m3
1 unit of omber is 5 m3

just examples ... you can look up the actual values by right clicking and selecting 'show info'



how much isk you make mining is a combination of

units mined per cycle
volume per unit stored
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2013-07-26 19:39:50 UTC
Bugger beaten to Celestes Ore Tables

Skillwise, if you're serious about mining then refining wise you have the ore reprocessing skills and you'll be wanting an barge or exhumer which start at around 20 mill fitted.

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Phei Hsui
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-26 20:12:26 UTC
Thanks for the advice everyone. It sounds like, for now at least, there isn't much benefit to going to the lower sectors of high sec. I'll be saving my ISK for a barge or exhumer, as Jonah suggested.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#6 - 2013-07-26 21:45:24 UTC
Phei Hsui wrote:
Thanks for the advice everyone. It sounds like, for now at least, there isn't much benefit to going to the lower sectors of high sec. I'll be saving my ISK for a barge or exhumer, as Jonah suggested.

When you get one, make sure you tank it properly, untanked mining ships make very attractive kills. Mining isn't a great income, and it can be mind numbing, if you're going to do it I suggest doing it with friends, more fun.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-07-26 22:25:05 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bugger beaten to Celestes Ore Tables


Big smileRelevant
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#8 - 2013-07-27 01:59:21 UTC
Omber also presents a bit of a strange case when it comes to value.

You can quite often see a much higher value of unrefined Omber (and only standard Omber, not the +5% and +10%) than it's value once refined.

This is due to a quite frequent storyline mission that requires a certain amount of Omber to be completed.

And since many mission runners either can't mine or plain refuses to mine they'll buy it from the market.

Which of course leads business minded people to try and inflate the price as much as possible Cool

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-07-27 02:47:10 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Omber also presents a bit of a strange case when it comes to value.

You can quite often see a much higher value of unrefined Omber (and only standard Omber, not the +5% and +10%) than it's value once refined.

This is due to a quite frequent storyline mission that requires a certain amount of Omber to be completed.

And since many mission runners either can't mine or plain refuses to mine they'll buy it from the market.

Which of course leads business minded people to try and inflate the price as much as possible Cool


Excellent point. Even though I occasionally mine, I for one will pay pretty much whatever when these missions come up so I don't have to be inconvenienced with mining, especially if I am more then 1 or 2 jumps from home.
Ronny Hugo
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-07-27 22:37:01 UTC
at OP:
I suggest finding yourself a quiet (few players in local) system with 1 station in it (preferably 0.9 or 1.0 so there's rats you can take with drones easypeasy), and mine there, drag some corp-members there (and join their mining ops when they have them). Mining barge is a must.
And crucially, have something do to while you mine, I'm enjoying the book Ending Aging these days when I mine.
Once you can have enough drones to take the occasional rat you can go to fex 0.6 or 0.5 (CONCORD drops like a bag of hammers on anyone who tries to kill you).
And I've mined about 200M worth of ore thus far with my current 25M barge so even if someone ganks me its just another chapter of a book I have to read while mining. So don't worry too much about being ganked in quiet systems.
Phei Hsui
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-07-28 16:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Phei Hsui
Related follow up question - is there a way to mine more than one asteroid at a time? Ie. Mining one asteroid with mining lasers and another asteroid with mining drones? I feel like there must be. I just saw for the first time an orca and a herd (flock? gaggle?) of hulks, pretty sure they were doing it. By the way, it was an impressive sight, me wants Big smile

Any good Youtube channels with instructional videos for this sort of thing? Or any sort of newbie thing? Each question I have raises 2 more.

Thanks!
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-07-28 16:29:40 UTC
you can mine as many asteroids as you have mining lasers (and drones)

I disagree

Phei Hsui
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-07-28 16:36:13 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
you can mine as many asteroids as you have mining lasers (and drones)


Well I guess my question is, how? I've tried locking onto a 'roid and mining with lasers, then locking onto a second 'roid and mining it with a drone(s), but the drones always head on over to the 'roid my lasers are harvesting. How can I tell it, 'Lasers mine 'Roid A, Drones mine 'Roid B'?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-07-28 16:44:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Lock and select the asteroid you want drones to mine, right click the drones, select mine repeatedly. They will mine that rock until it's gone or you give them a different target.

If you have 2 mining lasers you can activate them on different asteroids too.
Phei Hsui
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-07-28 17:02:05 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Lock and select the asteroid you want drones to mine, right click the drones, select mine repeatedly. They will mine that rock until it's gone or you give them a different target.

If you have 2 mining lasers you can activate them on different asteroids too.


I feel like this is what I have been doing, but I'm not connecting the dots somewhere. Everything mines the first thing I lock on. I can't get them to mine two different targets.

1.) Lock onto asteroid.
2.) Right click, tell drones to mine repeatedly.
3.) Lock onto second asteroid.
4.) Tell lasers to mine. Lasers mine first asteroid .
Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Banana Moon Industries
#16 - 2013-07-28 18:24:44 UTC
Your targeting reticule doesn't move when you lock a new target.

Left click the newly-targeted asteroid (to the left of the "selected item" window). Then tell your drones to mine, or activate your lasers.

Similarly if rats turn up while you are mining, you will need to manually left-click on the newly-locked rat before telling your hobgoblins to engage, else they will engage your asteroid.

CEO, Banana Moon Industries. Alliance Diplomat, Rim Worlds Protectorate

Sillhouette Starshadow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-07-28 18:29:59 UTC
In my barge I have 2 Stripminer IIs, and 5 Mining drones flying around:

1. Target 3 Asteroids (any). After targeted, they will show up in upper R-hand corner of your screen circled.
2. Select/click on first asteroid (again, upper r-hand corner of your screen). Send drones to "Mine repeatedly"
3. Click on second asteroid. Click on ONE miner. That one mines only that one.
4. Click on third asteroid. Click on SECOND miner. That second miner only mines that one.

Voila!

You can put both lasers on one asteroid, one laser on 2 seperate asteroidx, or one laser plus drones on one asteroid while other laser is on another asteroid.

Hope this helps
Phei Hsui
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-07-28 18:34:00 UTC
Someone dropped by to chat with me in game and we figured out what I was doing wrong. It's like Slackjaw was saying, I wasn't switching between the targets even though I had both locked on.

Thanks everyone, I can go back to mining for my bigger better ship now Smile
Ekhss Nihilo
The Night Watchmen
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-07-29 20:14:57 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bugger beaten to Celestes Ore Tables

Skillwise, if you're serious about mining then refining wise you have the ore reprocessing skills and you'll be wanting an barge or exhumer which start at around 20 mill fitted.

Agree with this post. You're not really mining until you've got a barge or better. Works even better if you fleet up with more advanced players in a corp who can generate mining bonuses such as more range on your strippers / lasers and better yield in shorter cycles.

In a Retriever, for example, you have room for 5 drones and a 25,000 m3 ore hold. That's usually good for 3-5 million ISK per load depending on what you're mining. The shield and armor reserves also help you shrug off NPC rat attacks while you destroy them with your drone compliment.

Having said that, the Venture is still good for exploratory mining in lower sec spaces. But you have to be careful as it's pretty thin-skinned.

"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius (AD 121-180)

Phei Hsui
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-07-29 22:55:29 UTC
Well I just managed to save enough for a Retriever. Now I just need to wait four days to be able to fly the thing. I figure then I'll look to joing a corp that's into mining.

I poked my head into low sec for the first time today. It was cool how the music changes out there, really creates a vibe that went well with my first time jitters Bear I came out alive with a ship full of Jaspet Smile
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