Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Whoa, whoa, whoa buddy. The ABC's are an anomaly *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Sure, reducing tracking in the situation of ABC's is needed, possibly, to adddress the problem.

However, this does nothing to stop the problem. It just allows a Dram or ceptor to actually survive a corkscrew in on a Nado fleet from 150km. Not like there's a point - your average nado fleet these days suffers a paltry amount greater agility, which they just rig off with Polycarbs. So they get slightly less DPS (still godly alpha) and equal agility.

The fact is, as a standoff sniper, they either bring along huginns with 36km webs and uber TP, or Lachs with 24km scram to deal with ceptors, or they just bounce out before the ceptor scrams them. Agility helps in the latter example, and as demonstrated, you rig off the "nerf" to agility.

Now, why am I against tracking nerfs for large guns? Despite the whine about how useless AHACs are, this is compared to T1 cruisers (yes, i said it) and Navy cruiser counterparts (SFI's, Scythe Fleets, NOmens, Naugs, NVexors, Nexeq's) which do better tank, equal or better DPS.

Any of these ships, properly used in real AHAC configuration, with AB's, can avoid almost all BS DPS at short range. At long range, the sig vs large gun resolution equation still protects them, especially if you maintain transversal.

Reducing large gun tracking even further will make BS's even more obsolete.

Are you implying any of that gun damage would land at 50km? Which, let's check, is 10km outside falloff?
Or was there some other purpose to this post that I can't make out?

Yes, pretty much.

Now one needs to use Gallente ships (with tracking bonus) for rails more than anything. And Caldari ships have to stick to blasters more than ever.

You should know that weapon system are not balanced around level 2 or 3 missions but pvp. And Lead uses 50% less capacitor to give you a hint.

Still there are some other issues with railguns of any size,

- Nobody ever wants to use ammunition below Lead S, M, L so Iridium, Tungsten and Iron ( iron...) charges need to be locked at too.
Sure at that range they provide you could always take Spike of all sizes and be done with it but do we really always want to use tech2 ammo to make our guns work?
- The reason why everyone uses Antimatter for a damage comparison even if it is "close range" ammo is because the damage of the other charges is not good enough to make them work and as soon as some reads railgun in his / her log they will approach and kill you and mock you in local for doing it
- Railguns have such terrible tracking that I'd rather use pulse lasers on my Caldari hulls now

yep, this is also going to make HML's even more pointless.

Believe it or not even with all V skills railsguns have terrible tracking and I will cap myself out in my Moa in a level 3 using antimatter all rounds.
A skill at level V does not prevent you from dying and you can make do with lower skills and kill older players if you set your mind to it.
PVP does not start with pressing F1, it starts as an idea in your mind, choosing a ship to fly and set your mind fitting the ship in a a way that will accomplish the goal of killing another boat you choose to engage.
Just set your mind that you will loose your ship no matter what you fit or if you are succesful or not and you can have a blast in your chosen playstyle.
It is proven that you can kill a Rifter in a Thrasher or Catalyst with all tech1 meta 0 guns and tech1 ammo if you catch a pilot who does turn his or her guns on in time.
You will fail a lot of times and learn a few things while you are at it but we all did and will continue to do so.
You should also learn that it is not important to be cap stable in an EFT fit, you just need to keep an eye on your capacitor.
You just need to have enough cap to wreck havoc in a short timespan.
As soon as you think you don't have enough capacitor you should fly out of harms way and come back later when your capacitor is recharged.
An afterburner or microwarpdrive will cap you out quickly but it will help you get out of harms way or diminish damage you recieve in a mission.
Fit on of these and head to a nearby asteroid field and fly around a bit to get an idea how your capacitor is doing over time.
And don't ever hit the "orbit" button and fly your ship by doubleclicking somewhere random in space in the direction of choosing.

Because I can simply build a battlecruiser to do everything a HAC does, WITH top end weapons and a full tank.....if I want to give up the tank, I can fit battleship weapons.

....and I can do it for half of the price.

Any plan to make defender missiles viable?

I just saw a very interesting comparison over at The Mittani:

250mm Railgun II with Spike:
DPS: 20 (27 after change)
Alpha: 92 (106 after change)
Optimal: 65 km
Falloff: 15 km
Cap/sec: -1.1 (-1.29 after change)
PG: 187.2
CPU: 31.5

Heavy Beam Laser II with Aurora:
DPS: 21 (26 after change)
Alpha: 91 (114 after change)
Optimal: 54 km
Falloff: 10 km
Cap/sec: -3.8
PG: 223.2
CPU: 27.8

Doesn't take tracking into account, yeah, but we're talking sniping ammo here. Mot relevant points bolded out.

Is it me or is there something terribly wrong here?

Oh ma gawd, I can see it now
If you would have a boat with 5 of these gun, that would mean you can poke someone with an 530hp damage alpha strike at 65km.
This is totally OP, no other ship can do so much damage with one shot at 65km.

Somebody call the goverment, we have a revolution on our hands!!!

Will Concord be able to intervene?