Player Features and Ideas Discussion

comparing a charon to an archon you find that the archon has more mass but is more agile, and warps faster than the charon. Further since the archon has mod slots you could choose to alter this imbalance even further (i realize that would be a bad idea, but im just saying).

I would like to see the align time and warp speed put at least on par with an unmodified archon and realistically the charon should have better mechanics in both areas since movement is one of the charons two chief functions as a ship.

Why, the Archon is full of fighters and is full all the time, a freighter is empty from personal experience about 25% of the time, so by your 'logic' the Archon should always be slower, while my charon should be zipping along 25% of the time.

i'll give your troll a 3/10 though not a total waste.

I used the comparison as a size issue, which i believe is a valid point.

Lets look at the archon again, it has two primary roles, offense and defense, it does them both well.

Now let's look at the freighter it also has two primary roles carrying a lot of stuff which it does well and traveling distances through space frequently which it does not do well because it has been artificially penalized, probably for immersion reasons.

If immersion is going to take precedence over function, then lets add a really cool looking launch graphic to the Archon but only let it use T1 drones.

Freighters are slow because moving gigantic quantities of stuff across the universe is supposed to be somewhat of a big deal.

Additionaly it punishes lazy people who autopilot/cba to find a webbing buddy.
Low effort=low reward.

Webbing buddy. Find one.

And again, moving large quantities of stuff should be a pain.

Why though?? it's already a pain because when the value is too large you can get ganged.

it's not even worth it to manually fly a freighter, the agility and wrap speed are way too slow.

Ive read some replies and rather than quote them each i'll take a generalist approach to responding:

1. Immersion: Haulers should be slow.

a. Response: ships need to do their intended job or jobs effectively. How about we give the Archon a cool new drone launching graphic for better immersion but to counter such a cool boost to immersion, we make it so that the Archon can only launch T2 drones (in short, when choosing between immersion and a core function of a ship, the core function should win).

2. Find a webbing buddy:

a. Cutting your hauling profits between two people is not cost effective.
b. Would you like to be forever attached to a support vessel for everything you do to be on par with where you should be without them, i didn't think so.

3. Will affect market values of goods / services:

a. Yes, and so have things like ship re-balancing, dropping the price of exploration skill books from hundreds of thousands each to tens of thousands, and I'm sure you 10 yr vets cold make pages of things that have affected the market place and yet the marketplace always finds a new balance and people adjust to the new realities.

4. This has not been brought up but there is always someone that responds this way so I'll get it out of the way here too, "It has always been that way it is fine as is".

a. by this logic we should never have invented the wheel because walking worked for us for millions of years.

A freighter's slow align time and warp speed have very little to do with immersion. EVE is about proficiency and drawbacks. Freighters excel as moving large quantities of goods. Their drawback is they are slow. I see little reason to change this. -1

Comparing non-combat v. combat ships is a silly thing as well, previous posters have pointed out the fallacy of this.

Actually, it did not. Millions of years ago were there not many humans.

Now we exist in the billions, but this was only possible because of inventions like the wheel.

I am both surprised and appalled at all of you, not a single person up till this point has made any reference to the nomad implant set.

Get a set of Nomad implants, there is your increased agility. As far as warp speed goes, deal with it.