Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, and is a hardcore PvP game.

GTFO.

Grace Ishukone,

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Darkfall : Unholy Wars is more of a hardcore PvP game than EVE Online is now. So don't use words like "hardcore pvp" when EVE has non-PVP zones now, you can't evade or kill concord any more, and most of the players in most of the game space are NOT pvping.

EVE Online is a space mining, industry and trading game that *occasionally* has pvp. Don't pretend otherwise, because it is simply not true. If you want a real pvp game, go get one. I say this in the full knowledge that I love mining and making things :)

so you take down any towers you own if you go away for a weekend ????
saying that wars have been changed so you cant retract it after only a couple days

If it was worth several billion, I would rather be safe than come back to an empty moon. But I haven't played around with pos' for a while now, and I'm glad I don't.



Standings are a pain to get, especially faction. But oh well, I guess that's what eve is about! I've been playing almost 7 years and loved every aspect of it, it's a shame it can't be said for everyone.

I'm pretty sure the idea of the above is to not have PVP.

You simply want to swap your POS Tower for an Ivory Tower.

That's nice, but we were actually betrayed, not feeling of betrayed. A support and access agreement which was critical to our viability in remote null sec was unilaterally cancelled by Pandemic Leigon without notice, who then attempted to extort vast amounts of money from us to be able to continue to play in nullsec. We declined, because renting in nullsec means that highsec is economically superior given the current game dynamics (assuming you have no good moons, which renters do not get).

CCP failed in Odyssey to address critical economic realities: the value of ore mined went up, but so too did the cost of jump fuel. The game in its current iteration makes items from highsec essentail for play in nullsec, for example materials for warp disruptors that come only from highsec (including lowsec) stations, which must be imported as they cannot be made or realistically looted in nullsec. Implants, sov upgrades and skillbooks are the extreme of that dependency on highsec. Those factors mean that newer players simply cannot survive in nullsec without easy access to highsec, whether personally or via corp/alliance jf That means the cost of fuel is critical, as jumps are needed regardless of what is made in nullsec. As such, economically nullsec is marginal at best and a loss at worst for most alliances who are not strong enough to own good moons. That is why most of nullsec is dead and empty, despite the design intent of the Odyssey changes to ice fields and nullsec ore types. Nice idea, but fundamentally Odyssey failed in that regard. Dead and empty play space is largely doomed to stay dead and empty - there may be a short term bump as people try things, but mechanically it is better to run highsec missions and buy things in Jita than to play in nullsec, due to the dual costs of player time and JF fuel. That is why we see most of the players in the game in highsec, and most nullsec systems entirely empty except for random POS harvesting moon goo off the relatively rare profitable moons.

What did we do? We entered a dead and unwanted system, put in an iHub, took it from nothing to military 4 industry 3 inside a month, and were literally building our first carrier to be built there. At which point Pandemic Legion betrayed us by cancelling the agreement we had with them. We did nothing wrong, we never knew why PL screwed us over. Probably because we were not paying rent for the space you owned, even though your name is not on the sov map.

So you can dress it up as much as you want, you can be as caring as you want. You guys stole our home, and many of my friends simply ceased playing because they are smarter than I am. I want this game to succeed, I want to have fun in EVE. They know that unless you have a credit card or years to wait for having the skills to fly the big ships that matter, you are pretty much doomed.

You can say "join the mega zergs!" ... but if I wanted to be one of the millions of clones, I would just log in my WoW toon. Honestly that's not a bad idea, the low level battlegrounds in WoW have more challenging pvp than EVE. EVE has strategic pvp, but usually the tactical pvp is over before it begins. Like 12 caps dropping in - can't possibly beat them, probably not even able to kill even one of them, jump out. That is EVE pvp in its current form. And it's pretty boring, to be honest. I love the strategic element, but to be honest the game gets very thin very fast beyond that.

I want to have fun playing EVE. But between Odyssey and Pandemic Leigon and their ilk, the simple reality is that I can't engage in the playstyle I love. Not because I want to rule the world, but because I want to play in some musty forgotten corner of nullsec, where random neuts turn up and we reship to pvp them. But that's not possible any more - the mega alliances want *every* corner of the map, there is simply no place for independent alliances any more.

That's the inevitably consequence of mechanics that allow people to own things without being there, and instant travel enabling small numbers to project power over vast distances. Those are basic mechanics, and they doomed Darkfall 1.0 to failure - so don't be too confident in your arrogance. CCP's devs are not stupid, they know they have a problem on thier hands and are going to inevitably make changes to address them. But if you don't like my ideas and you don't provide better ones, then you get whatever they come up with. You might not like that.

Why am I so pissed? Pandemic Leigon took my home, ruined my gameplay, and led to many of my friends stopping playing. Then they have the gall to implicitly admit they don't want to play in nullsec either. WTF people, WTF. If you wanted to pvp us, you should have left us in nullsec - there were more of us playing EVE then. So yes, Pandemic, you are demonstrating the core issue with EVE at this time - nullsec is failing to achieve its game purpose, and mega alliances are exacerbating the problem. Because players with power have not addressed the issue, then inevitably CCP are going to have to step in with coding changes. So yes, if you want all of nullsec you can have it - but you can't have all of lowsec as well, because about then 5,000 players control all the moons in the game, and the other 250,000 paying customers will start to ask CCP for little simple changes, like removing nullsec from the game - after all, no-one really uses it, right?

Sounds awesome, where do I sign up?

Hi Grace,

Have you considered wormholes? Where capital numbers are heavily limited by mass, and no supers can be fielded.
That would fit your musty forgotten home idea pretty well I think. Supply lines require probing but nobody can hot drop you.

One thing I want to clear up is the mixup as far as carriers and dreads being pointable. The confusion stems from something called "coasting out". When in siege, dreads and carriers gain ewar invulnerability and cannot be pointed, but they can't jump out or move. This means that there is a very short time when siege ends where they might be able to jump before a point can be applied. The counters to this are in increasing order of effectiveness spamming point, neuts or a HIC.

You can easily have a home somewhere. You might have to try a few locations until you find somewhere out of the way enough, is all.

Best of luck.

I don't think you get EVE.