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Make all carriers and dreads prone to normal warp disruptors in lowsec.

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Author
Clith
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-07-17 15:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Clith
I am sorry to hear of your bad experience with the Pandemic Legion Lunar Reclamation Service. Our records show that you have not paid your lunar rental charge for the previous 4 months as agreed to when you signed the original contract.
If you would like to resolve this situation, and continue the lease of this moon, please forward me the original copy of your lunar rental agreement, together with a sum of 2 billion isk covering the 4 months missed payments and late fees of 400 million isk.
Once all documents have been received and payment made, I will arrange for a transfer of the lunar assets to your corporation.
WarFireV
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-07-17 15:06:13 UTC
I like turtles.
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
#43 - 2013-07-17 15:08:30 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
look at all dem fuggin words

u ok m8?


No, Pandemic Leigon betrayed us and took our nullsec home away, but didn't even want to live there.

Now my friends play WoW, battlefield 3, and World of Tanks rather than EvE. I miss playing the game with my friends.
So I'm not ok, it really is your fault you lying arrogant bastards.

Is there anything I can do about it? Not at all. You're right, I can't fly a carrier, never have. I can build them, but I can't build the big ones in lowsec / highsec. So as a socially focused crafter / miner player, I think the current game design is absolutely atrocious. What is worse is that I am not alone in that, and the attrition rate of players out of EVE is appallingly high. That is why EVE Online continues to badly under perform as a commercial product, always being close to greatness, but never quite making it.

CCP have breached some of thier own original design tennents in an attempt to save EVE Online from closing. I expect they will go further and further in that direction. But make no mistake - how you treat your victims and enemies matters. You may have delicious tears, enjoy them if you will. But know that the simple truth is in player vs designer, ultimately the designer will win. And the reality is that Nullsec and the joke of what passes for skilled pvp there now has to change - there is no skill involved in lighting a cyno, clicking jump, clicking warp to, clicking attack. Many commentators rightly ridicule EVE's "pvp" ... and yet players seem to think that they are somehow wonderful because they did something that had no realistic risk and managed to click the correct button to warp home.

Until things like system wide cyno jammer ships are implemented, EVE capital ship pvp will be generally ultra-boring sov bashing. That the mechanics effectively mean alliances can deny entire reigons of the game to other players utility, even through they themselves do not utilise the space, simply means much of the game space is dead and empty - which for a pvp game translates to pointless waste of time for players seeking to engage in pvp.

I want to see the nullsec map radically changed. Enough with the dead systems owned or controlled by players who themselves are so bored they have moved to lowsec as well. You can criticize me all you like for wanting to stop those nullsec alliances projecting unanswerable combat power into lowsec in an attempt to force them to play in the nullsec they own/control, but make no mistake, if you don't come up with better ideas you get whatever CCP Themepark devs come up with next. And they WILL make changes - they have to, or this game dies when World of Darkness and one or two other key MMO pvp titles release. Do you want EVE to fall into maintenance mode? I don't. I want its player population to increase by at least 5 million players in the next 10 years, with 250k+ concurrent users. Yes Jita will need a new hamster to handle it, but so what? Point is as things stand, it's tracking to being remade as a themepark - many of the same dynamics that appeared in SWG prior to the CU are now detectable here, and if CCP does a SG style CU (oh wait 'ship rebalancing' anyone? - what is after that?) then we all know how bad things can get as developers try too hard to grow a game without fixing the deep issues first.

So yes, I'm upset. But it's not about a *thing* - it is because the idea that you and your friends can have a home in EVE is basically invalid in the current community in EVE. It does not matter that no-one *else* wants to play in such crappy distant -0.2 nullsec, it's that the map, high sec-dependant game mechanics, and mega powerful won't permit it to happen. When you talk to them and realize that the powerful would actually quite like it if you lived there so they could get fun pvp whenever they wanted it, then you realize the real issue is bad game design. Fix the map, or the higsec-dependant mechanics, but until CCP do, expect me to be upset. Because without changing those deep underlying problems, I really do fear CCP is going to make a horrible blunder like SW:G did with the CU, then try to fix it with more changes as SW:G did with the NGE ... and we know how that ended.

Mad Moxie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-07-17 15:08:37 UTC
WarFireV wrote:
I like turtles.


nobody cares Cool
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-07-17 15:09:02 UTC
its just eve. man
Jyn Uin
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2013-07-17 15:12:02 UTC
Grace Ishukone wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:
look at all dem fuggin words

u ok m8?


No, Pandemic Leigon betrayed us and took our nullsec home away, but didn't even want to live there.

Now my friends play WoW, battlefield 3, and World of Tanks rather than EvE. I miss playing the game with my friends.
So I'm not ok, it really is your fault you lying arrogant bastards.





http://www.suicidehotlines.com/
Mad Moxie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-07-17 15:14:44 UTC
stop raging and get your mates back online . sign up to a renter corp and sell your caps to PL . we can give you far rates for them
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
#48 - 2013-07-17 15:15:11 UTC
Clith wrote:
I am sorry to hear of your bad experience with the Pandemic Legion Lunar Reclamation Service. Our records show that you have not paid your lunar rental charge for the previous 4 months as agreed to when you signed the original contract.
If you would like to resolve this situation, and continue the lease of this moon, please forward me the original copy of your lunar rental agreement, together with a sum of 2 billion isk covering the 4 months missed payments and late fees of 400 million isk.
Once all documents have been received and payment made, I will arrange for a transfer of the lunar assets to your corporation.


We were only there 2 weeks, and I don't have 2 billion.

So cute, but no.

Give me a nullsec system inside 2 JCal 5 freigther jumps from high, with ice, a refinery, and manufacture lines, and I'll give you someplace where you can get 24/7 pvp where people actually fight back.

Although only two problems with that ... first is I can never trust Pandemic Legion, the second is you seem to be losing all the fights that really matter. So maybe I'll wait and see if you still exist next month first. That's the problem with betraying people, suddenly all bets are off and just as you say get over it, awoxing becomes perfectly legitimate. You can't betray others then expect no-one will betray you too. Not that I could do anything like that personally ... not like I can retrever your fleet to death or anything. ;p
Tertiacero
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-07-17 15:19:59 UTC
Grace Ishukone wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:
look at all dem fuggin words

u ok m8?

Until things like system wide cyno jammer ships are implemented, EVE capital ship pvp will be generally ultra-boring sov bashing.



This is a good idea, maybe they should make a POS mod out of it.
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
#50 - 2013-07-17 15:21:33 UTC
Mad Moxie wrote:
stop raging and get your mates back online . sign up to a renter corp and sell your caps to PL . we can give you far rates for them


We were about to assemble our first carrier when you guys betrayed us, so we cancelled production and sold the minerals instead. And now many of my friends have walked away from EVE because we can't play in null, we would likely struggle to be able to mine a and build a carrier a month.

But that is fine ... as your own Pandemic Leigon player seemed to be firmly of the opinion that mining is for AFK alts (and dare I say bots?), not actual people for whom mining is a social activity with lots of talking and working together. I am sure you will be very happy buying capitals off people who have 50 copies of themselves and great programmes to run them all at maximum efficiency, including docking the instant a neutral player enters a system one either side of their drone system. Ugh
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
#51 - 2013-07-17 15:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Grace Ishukone
Tertiacero wrote:
Grace Ishukone wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:
look at all dem fuggin words

u ok m8?

Until things like system wide cyno jammer ships are implemented, EVE capital ship pvp will be generally ultra-boring sov bashing.



This is a good idea, maybe they should make a POS mod out of it.



That works in lowsec? Yeah right.

Engage brain before trolling, your nullsec mods requiring SOV have no application here. Although wouldn't that throw the cat amongst the pidegons if you COULD use cyno jammers on lowsec pos without sov?

Especially if such mods stopped you jumping OUT for 1 hour after activation ...
Hurley
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-07-17 15:23:40 UTC
One time I found some lint in my pocket
Janos Vaas
The Unnamed.
Necromonic Empyrean
#53 - 2013-07-17 15:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Janos Vaas
Grace Ishukone wrote:
Mad Moxie wrote:
stop raging and get your mates back online . sign up to a renter corp and sell your caps to PL . we can give you far rates for them


We were about to assemble our first carrier when you guys betrayed us, so we cancelled production and sold the minerals instead. And now many of my friends have walked away from EVE because we can't play in null, we would likely struggle to be able to mine a and build a carrier a month.

But that is fine ... as your own Pandemic Leigon player seemed to be firmly of the opinion that mining is for AFK alts (and dare I say bots?), not actual people for whom mining is a social activity with lots of talking and working together. I am sure you will be very happy buying capitals off people who have 50 copies of themselves and great programmes to run them all at maximum efficiency, including docking the instant a neutral player enters a system one either side of their drone system. Ugh


http://i.imgur.com/qWfBU.gif
Mad Moxie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2013-07-17 15:26:04 UTC

That works in lowsec? Yeah right.

Engage brain before trolling, your nullsec mods requiring SOV have no application here. Although wouldn't that throw the cat amongst the pidegons if you COULD use cyno jammers on lowsec pos without sov?

Especially if such mods stopped you jumping OUT for 1 hour after activation ...[/quote]


but if you cyno jam lowsec how will you get your JF there ??????
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
#55 - 2013-07-17 15:26:21 UTC
Janos Vaas wrote:
http://imgur.com/account/favorites/qWfBU


A link to something you need to sign in to see isn't very useful for the discussion.

And it better not be anything that you shouldn't be linking to ... these are public forums and there is an EULA / use agreement.
DarklordKarn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-07-17 15:26:54 UTC
Hello kitty island adventure ------ >
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
#57 - 2013-07-17 15:27:01 UTC
Mad Moxie wrote:

That works in lowsec? Yeah right.

Engage brain before trolling, your nullsec mods requiring SOV have no application here. Although wouldn't that throw the cat amongst the pidegons if you COULD use cyno jammers on lowsec pos without sov?

Especially if such mods stopped you jumping OUT for 1 hour after activation ...



but if you cyno jam lowsec how will you get your JF there ??????[/quote]


By turning it off first Roll
Mad Moxie
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-07-17 15:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mad Moxie
Grace Ishukone wrote:
Mad Moxie wrote:

That works in lowsec? Yeah right.

Engage brain before trolling, your nullsec mods requiring SOV have no application here. Although wouldn't that throw the cat amongst the pidegons if you COULD use cyno jammers on lowsec pos without sov?

Especially if such mods stopped you jumping OUT for 1 hour after activation ...



but if you cyno jam lowsec how will you get your JF there ??????



By turning it off first Roll[/quote]
then what is the point in having a cyno jammer if you have to turn it off all the time ?????
and you would have to turn it off for the other ppl trying to make it in lowsec
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
#59 - 2013-07-17 15:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Grace Ishukone
DarklordKarn wrote:
Hello kitty island adventure ------ >


Has more players and made more money for its developers than EVE Online did for CCP?
Lol


Also, did you mean ... Deklein ?
DarklordKarn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-07-17 15:30:46 UTC
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