Out of Pod Experience

Kings of RPG Bioware yes, now attach a money grabbing publisher who has creative involvement (EA).

It turned out as expected.

This is why:

He wouldn't need to if people didn't keep spouting unfounded opinions.

We've been here before, over and over, time and time again. We keep having these discussions because people misunderstand the average EVE player's motivation for playing EVE.

EVE online is so complex, most people don't KNOW what they like about it, and because they can't really grasp what they like about it, they take it for granted in the same way some people take real life relationships for granted. So they go play another game (or even just HEAR about a new game coming out) and "The Grass is Greener on the other side" syndrome kicks in.

As in all cases where the grass is greener, most people who think that find out that it isn't and come running back "home" before it's over.


Malcanis' example of Star Trek Online is perfect. The carebears who cried and cried and cried at getting ganked swore up and down that they'd leave EVE for STO because STO had better PVE, walking around on the ground and was grief-proof due to not having any non-conensual PVP. It even has a less painful death penalty. A carebears dream.

Yet, rather than go play a game PURPOSE BUILT for space bears....they stay in or came back to EVE where they could lose everything in one frieghter gank or where someone ganks their 4 bil isk Tengu in a mission. This happened because they were too dumb to realize that they LIKE the danger of EVE and that danger adds incredible value to the experience, and they were mistaken/short sighted in beliving they wanted total safety.

Er, yes. That's what I said.

In 2010, they had a crappy foundation they couldn't build on. In 2013, they still have a lot of that foundation left that they still can't build on. Until they're done, you and I will continue to wait.

Seagull was letting us know that the wait will be worth it. Time will tell, of course. But any software developer can see the position they're in right now, and understand that this is the only way forward.

At least CCP has rubber on the road.

I've got no interest in SC if it doesn't have a harsh death penalty, is fully sandbox, has a robust player driven economy and time based skill training (i hate level grinds).

Its likely not to have all of that, so I really don't care.

If it somehow kills Eve (which I seriously doubt), then I'll find something other than video games to fill my time. Maybe do more fishing.

I think if Eve crashes and burns, it'll be more likely due to something like microtransactions.

And even if it had all those things, it would essentially be an Eve clone but without the decade of player-driven backstory to build on.

Im saying IF SC comes out to be the game advertised, and until that time CCP and the community just point and say hey, its just hype, then that imo is a childish and unproffesional thing to do as a games company that has the biggest space game out there to date i.e. CCP.

I'm not saying it will or wont be special, i have my doubts, but at the same time i want CCP to be competing at the highest level IF this game does come with a free pot of gold and rainbow to boot.

Thats all.

Wait, if I have the C,T,R, and L keys pressed, how do I press C again? Do I have the wrong keyboard?


On a serious note, does this game have loss consequences? Do you lose ships when you die? The website is image laden and I don't feel like cycling past images to find the answer.

I think you read my post backwards. I didn't claim anything. I think you cut of half my sentence there nice work.

I wouldn't say that they're dismissing it out of hand but Eve has a couple things that Star Citizen doesn't and by all accounts never will, the scope for epic stories, and always on PvP. Eve will still be the only space game with those, without those features and possibilities it's not a direct competitor for a lot of the demographic Eve caters for, those of us that like to play at being immoral immortals with a taste for blood and power, and have a lasting impact.

Star Citizen, from what the devs are saying, will have a PvP slider, don't want PvP? You'll be able to basically turn it off and go about your business without the chance of some nasty piwate ruining your day. That option sounds pretty bland to me, the possibility of surprise PvP adds spice for me, but if that's what you want then fine.

In Eve what you do affects somebody else, regardless of whether you spend your time mining ore, shooting NPCs or making pretty explosions out of other peoples stuff. SC claims it will have a persistent universe but will have instances, I'm not sure how that will actually work or how people will be able to make a meaningful impact on both the universe and others.

The SC devs will be making part of what makes storytelling and having an impact possible in Eve impossible. People won't be able to organise others and take control of huge swathes of space, goonswarm and the like are purposefully being designed out. Thus no conflict drivers on the scale we have here, in turn that removes opportunities for espionage, epic battles for territory and skulduggery, it also suggests that confidence tricks, ponzi schemes etc probably won't be tolerated by the devs, much like most MMOs. All of these things regularly put Eve in the spotlight in both the gaming and mainstream media, be it for good or bad.

As I posted earlier, I hope Star Citizen lives up to the promise it has, I'll definitely be playing it if it does, what I won't be doing is unsubbing from Eve to do so, because it's not offering me the same range of possibilities as Eve.

TL;DR While both games share a theme, in reality they offer different things. To offer an analogy if both games were movies Star Citizen would get a parental guidance warning, while Eve would be rated as only suitable for persons over the age of 18.