EVE General Discussion

i didn't put emphasis on dynamic sry about that

l5 mission are exactly same as l4 or l6 l7 l8 if they are to exist.

PLEX aren't free. There is no way for a subscribed account to play Eve for free. Someone paid the subscription cost, even if it isn't the account holder.

That little detail aside, large companies (like Blizzard) require larger revenue streams to keep them profitable than small ones (like CCP). As of 2012, Blizzard employed a little over 7,000 people. (Source, Vivendi Annual Report for 2012). Even a million WOW subscriptions couldn't pay for that many employees, unless you charged about $30 a month (assuming everyone makes a flat 50,000USD a year including benefits, and infrastructure upgrades just magically appear). In reality you'd probably have to charge close to double that. IF Wow was Blizzard's only source of income. Thankfully (for Blizzard at least) it's not. Their other IPs also help to keep them in chips, and the lights on, and they have to, because a large company like Blizzard cannot afford to put all of its eggs into one basket as it were.

CCP, on the other hand, employs about 600-700 people. That's a tenth of the number that Blizzard employs. Some simple math would indicate they could get by quite nicely with a smaller subscription base because their cost of operation is considerably lower.


Sweeping generalizations are the enemy of logic and reasoning. If I toss a pumice stone in to a lake and observe its buoyant nature, should I then declare that all rocks can float?

That's pure nonsense, it ignores any number of variables (like how big is the company and how much is their overhead) as well as ignoring the evidence (CCP is still here, EVE is still here). It also presupposed that each and every game and game maker is alike so their is some set number for "success"). Your beliefs are plain foolish and easily disprovable, yet you hold onto them religiously despite seeming smart enough to know better.

You should probably re-examine your thought process, because you seem to be more "feeling" than "thinking" (i would LOVE to see your Briggs-Myers test lol). You come to bad conclusions about things as a result.

Clearly Apple is failing and should copy Microsoft because Microsoft has the 90% market share, right?

WOW has lost 3 million subscriptions in as many years. EVE has been adding subscriptions for 10 years straight. Every MMO that has tried to copy WOW had failed miserably.

Why should EVE try to compete directly with the biggest swinging **** in the industry when it can be in a strong second place and rake in the dough?




http://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/7/31/3207521/star-wars-the-old-republic-subscribers-fall-to-under-one-million


EA has outright said that they need 500,000 subscribers for SWOTOR to be profitable. That's with LucasArts Licensing fees, the enormous staff required to generate that much scripted content, voice actors, and so on.

EVE is far cheaper to make and run than SWOTOR.


Stop making up random lies. Or at least make them harder to dumpster.

Apple wouldn't exist today without Microsoft that save it.

Don't live in an oyster. It's not good for you.

Dont think about others as problems, think about them as new occasion to make ISK.

That's why MS is so crappy. They're just doing Apple's bidding. :tinfoil:

Based on your completely ridiculous rationale, Justin Bieber is the greatest performer of all time and all bands, songwriters and musicians should take note and follow in his footsteps because they have so much to learn from him, right?

You heard it here first, folks, Ace has Bieber Fever. Spread the word.

Thankfully for the music world and online gaming, some people understand that the point of everything is not to simple maximize the number of people who view or experience your content. The market is a million complex creatures each with their own set of demands. It is not a singular beast crawling through the wastes looking for one and only one kind of food.

There is a demand for EVE - for a PvP-oriented space combat game with a robust economy and elaborate player-driven content mechanics. Is that market as large as the market for cartoon-fantasy, oversized-sword Blizzard lovefests? No, it's not. It's smaller. But that's okay, becuase CCP has clearly figured out how to tap that market space with a product that fulfills this demand and generates enough revenue to continue to exist.

Becoming more like WoW does not magically grow their playerbase, it shrinks it - because it ceases to fill the demand it is currently filling and moves over and tries to fill a demand that doesn't exist because it's already being satisfied by an existing product.

You're basically telling CCP to stop serving their fans/customers, and start trying to steal Blizzard's which is laughable wretched advice from both a game design standpoint as well as a basic economic standpoint. They have captured a market and they need to keep it and the way to do that is to keep doing what they're doing, not to try and emulate others.



A statement that assumes the variables in the profit equation are constant and not variable for every game and company in existence, which is a claim so astronomically ignorant and stupid that it lends credence to my growing theory that you don't actually believe any of the mental diarrhea you spew all over these boards on a daily basis and you're just here because you have an extremely boring desk job that affords you bucketloads of time which you can't find a better use for than trolling for replies on the EVE forums.

Seriously, what kind of idiotic drivel is this?

The number of players it takes to make an MMO profitable depends on the size of the company in question, their operating costs - which brings into play salaries, health care, insurance, and fuel and energy costs in their native coutnry, the average income per player, a host of retention statistics, revenue from other sources, investments and investors, etc., etc.

This, of course, is all ignoring the fact that EVE exists and has for over a decade. If it were a money sink, CCP would have fallen off the face of the earth 5 years ago. It is obviously working for them just fine where it's at.



Costs you have absolutely NO ability to quantify and which are obviously not constant or consistent across developers.



You say that as if PLEX is not a subscription model. PLEX costs money. People who buy PLEX are paying. It is not another form of F2P as you seem to suggest by lumping the two together in the same stence. PLEX, by it's nature, is a self-sustaining system.

Of course you must know this. You have to. Which, again, goes towards the troll theory I state above. You can't be a real person who can form cogent, intelligent English sentences as consistently as you seem to do and yet be this stupid. You present internal inconsistency which can only be reconciled if we accept the fact that you are doing it on purpose.



A 10-year-old shoestring that has funded CCP and the development of additional products.

That's a seriously strong shoestring.

They might. Because what sells Bieber is the marketing. Which is how folks got the iPod and iPad craze.

You can make the best product in the world, but if it's not marketed well, it doesn't sell. If it doesn't sell, there's no money. If there's no money, there's no company.

That's right.

Exists.

Meanwhile, in Blizzard land, they thrive despite the changing market.

They don't put all their eggs in one basket.

They have 3 successful game franchises, based not only on marketing, but the reputation of making good games.

They attract the best talent money can buy due to all of it.

Now whales can have their game tailored to how they like, but it takes more than whales to get that game. It takes people and many people.