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Tonight's fleet fight in Z9PP-H

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#521 - 2013-07-10 02:21:41 UTC
Ditrius Bedala wrote:
Dorn Val wrote:
2) Maybe it's time to look into the underlying hardware and code that makes Tranquility. I remember someone saying that the software wasn't multi-thread or multi-core capable.

As software developer I can say that this will require hilarious amount of man-hours.


Well, WoW did it along with a 64bit client. Engine is as old as EvE's.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Paul Leonard Kersey
Doomheim
#522 - 2013-07-10 02:25:55 UTC
Typical CCP, forces you to discuss their failure in 1 thread, then ignores it.

CCP, Pro customer service since 2003
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#523 - 2013-07-10 04:17:05 UTC
Let it sink to page 2 and so on where it will be forgotten forever.

Op success.

Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#524 - 2013-07-10 05:33:15 UTC
Unless it doesn't sink.

Still nothing at all from CCP. Not even a forum rep poking their nose in.
Miss Altiana
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#525 - 2013-07-10 06:25:15 UTC
Grown ups crying in epic proportions, a advise goons !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
OldWolf69
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#526 - 2013-07-10 06:48:35 UTC
Miss Altiana wrote:
Grown ups crying in epic proportions, a advise goons !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

There's always a brighter side of life. Sadly not for Gallentes.Lol
Arrendis
TK Corp
#527 - 2013-07-10 08:46:48 UTC
Miss Altiana wrote:
Grown ups crying in epic proportions, a advise goons !


Yes, because expecting accountability from those we pay for a service, and to not simply be ignored and dismissed out of hand in a bait-and-switch bit of pablum to brush concerns about CCP's IT failings, these things are 'crying'.

Tell me, do you feel the same way when your mechanic screws up your car? Do you just shrug and keep paying the computer technician who loses all your data? The landscaper who manages to destroy your yard?
Miss Altiana
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#528 - 2013-07-10 11:23:33 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Miss Altiana wrote:
Grown ups crying in epic proportions, a advise goons !


Yes, because expecting accountability from those we pay for a service, and to not simply be ignored and dismissed out of hand in a bait-and-switch bit of pablum to brush concerns about CCP's IT failings, these things are 'crying'.

Tell me, do you feel the same way when your mechanic screws up your car? Do you just shrug and keep paying the computer technician who loses all your data? The landscaper who manages to destroy your yard?


Seriously, im not realy sure how serious you are, but, maybe you should go turn your computor off, leave the blue and red pills alone, its pixels !... there is like proportions to things, and i rather see this as a game, so if the game designers screw up my game, well id go outside, read a book , wait for them to fix it ?, and if i had my land scaper destroy my "digital" garden... you know, im sure you never made a mistake ? Roll
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#529 - 2013-07-10 12:04:30 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Miss Altiana wrote:
Grown ups crying in epic proportions, a advise goons !


Yes, because expecting accountability from those we pay for a service, and to not simply be ignored and dismissed out of hand in a bait-and-switch bit of pablum to brush concerns about CCP's IT failings, these things are 'crying'.

Tell me, do you feel the same way when your mechanic screws up your car? Do you just shrug and keep paying the computer technician who loses all your data? The landscaper who manages to destroy your yard?


It's crying when it only concerns pet interests.

There's other issues on the plate (like things making players physically sick), and CCP is on vacation.

It's about priorities. A fight in null isn't a top 1 priority to the game. You understood the risks anyway, in a game you also know can't handle large fleet ops...which you guys continually do despite the system can't run it properly (CCP doesn't have CRZ or phasing to offload the spikes, it has to hard cap with a wall that is every bit like instancing but worse, as folks can't use the same space or capped from entering a zone).

Don't want it to happen again? DON'T BLOB. EvE can't handle it, it was never designed for 400+ fleet battles and the tech can't handle it (and won't until CCP updates hardware [$$$$$$$$] and programs for it [$$$$$$$$]). It was designed for raid size battles of the old days of 40man sizes (as the concept of 400+ battles in 2000 was unheard of...that's how old EvE is and the design it was built on, 2000 tech).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Paul Leonard Kersey
Doomheim
#530 - 2013-07-10 12:27:18 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Miss Altiana wrote:
Grown ups crying in epic proportions, a advise goons !


Yes, because expecting accountability from those we pay for a service, and to not simply be ignored and dismissed out of hand in a bait-and-switch bit of pablum to brush concerns about CCP's IT failings, these things are 'crying'.

Tell me, do you feel the same way when your mechanic screws up your car? Do you just shrug and keep paying the computer technician who loses all your data? The landscaper who manages to destroy your yard?


It's crying when it only concerns pet interests.

There's other issues on the plate (like things making players physically sick), and CCP is on vacation.

It's about priorities. A fight in null isn't a top 1 priority to the game. You understood the risks anyway, in a game you also know can't handle large fleet ops...which you guys continually do despite the system can't run it properly (CCP doesn't have CRZ or phasing to offload the spikes, it has to hard cap with a wall that is every bit like instancing but worse, as folks can't use the same space or capped from entering a zone).

Don't want it to happen again? DON'T BLOB. EvE can't handle it, it was never designed for 400+ fleet battles and the tech can't handle it (and won't until CCP updates hardware [$$$$$$$$] and programs for it [$$$$$$$$]). It was designed for raid size battles of the old days of 40man sizes (as the concept of 400+ battles in 2000 was unheard of...that's how old EvE is and the design it was built on, 2000 tech).


Just stop.

Eve didn't launch till 2003

If the game wasn't designed for it, then why does CCP itself say it was? Look at any Eve news article, hell even in CCP's
trailers, "thousands of players" in fights.

Stay in high-sec and keep your mouth shut about things you don't understand.

Bottom line is CCP screwed up. Then locked every thread about said screw-up, forced all discussion to this thread, then simply ignored it.

Is customer service to much to ask for from a company we pay? Or are you just a big brown-nosed troll?
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#531 - 2013-07-10 12:39:30 UTC
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:
Just stop.

Eve didn't launch till 2003


/facepalm
/facepalm
/facepalm

This is exactly why mouth breathers are but cannon fodder. They don't understand anything but to pewpewpew, and can't find 2 brain cells to rub together.

Sit down and find another brain cell, as class is in session:

MMOs on average take 4 years to build.

EvE was released in 2003.

Now do the math.


Class dismissed!

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Paul Leonard Kersey
Doomheim
#532 - 2013-07-10 12:54:15 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:
Just stop.

Eve didn't launch till 2003


/facepalm
/facepalm
/facepalm

This is exactly why mouth breathers are but cannon fodder. They don't understand anything but to pewpewpew, and can't find 2 brain cells to rub together.

Sit down and find another brain cell, as class is in session:

MMOs on average take 4 years to build.

EvE was released in 2003.

Now do the math.


Class dismissed!


Yeah brown-nosed troll.

Building a MMO where only 40 people can fight on a grid? If you really believe that then your opinion isn't valid anyway.

Oh and you want some math? $20 x 500,000 subs = $10 MILLION PER MONTH But CCP can't afford hardware?
CCP Falcon
#533 - 2013-07-10 13:00:34 UTC

Hey guys.

We've been pretty busy talking about stuff internally, which is why there's been no communication in this thread.

I'll gather up some of the questions from here, and see if I can pin some answers to them in the next few days.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

Miss Altiana
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#534 - 2013-07-10 13:06:08 UTC
Thanks Falcon, keep the great work and funs going, and by the way, give us CAS people some goodies while at it Blink
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#535 - 2013-07-10 13:08:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:

Yeah brown-nosed troll.

Building a MMO where only 40 people can fight on a grid? If you really believe that then your opinion isn't valid anyway.

Oh and you want some math? $20 x 500,000 subs = $10 MILLION PER MONTH But CCP can't afford hardware?


Were you even born in 2000 to realize the tech back then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khQ4owaUURo

That's when EvE was being built. That's the type of engine that this world operates on. Just like in WoW (but Blizzard at least goes back and update it for 64bit and multithreading...it used to only operate on one CPU).

Little resources = things don't get fixed. Little resources = you get gated.

Want fixes, got to have the cash. It doesn't grow on trees.

Business 101.

Now whine like a kid, the reality is the fix isn't coming any time soon. Get used to it, EvE is a sandbox game along with the sandbox funding problems. You're pushing the game to what it wasn't designed to handle, and still can't 10 years later.

Which is what things MMO 2.0 is about to fix and improve upon.Idea

Forgot this gem...

Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:
Oh and you want some math? $20 x 500,000 subs = $10 MILLION PER MONTH But CCP can't afford hardware?


Blizzard didn't even update it's hardware until 2011 (after being hounded for 500ms latency and worse -- my realm was in Timbuktu with double the ping times of EQII, despite being on the west coast. I went to town on it on the forums because EQII updated their hardware in 2008, including 64bit databases). The IT techs said it was pretty archaic hardware when they did (Blizzard put it up for auction).

They don't update that stuff as often as folks will think. Don't know what CCP is operating on, but there's a good chance it's much the same. It takes tech advances and development changes to justify the cost (Blizzard brought CRZ with the new hardware, and by the looks of it, going one world).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Paul Leonard Kersey
Doomheim
#536 - 2013-07-10 13:09:50 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

Hey guys.

We've been pretty busy talking about stuff internally, which is why there's been no communication in this thread.

I'll gather up some of the questions from here, and see if I can pin some answers to them in the next few days.



Oh 5 days and 27 pages later you care?

More like "They're not letting it die! Quick to damage control!"

Paul Leonard Kersey
Doomheim
#537 - 2013-07-10 13:19:58 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:

Yeah brown-nosed troll.

Building a MMO where only 40 people can fight on a grid? If you really believe that then your opinion isn't valid anyway.

Oh and you want some math? $20 x 500,000 subs = $10 MILLION PER MONTH But CCP can't afford hardware?


Were you even born in 2000 to realize the tech back then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khQ4owaUURo

That's when EvE was being built. That's the type of engine that this world operates on. Just like in WoW (but Blizzard at least goes back and update it for 64bit and multithreading...it used to only operate on one CPU).

Little resources = things don't get fixed. Little resources = you get gated.

Want fixes, got to have the cash. It doesn't grow on trees.

Business 101.

Now whine like a kid, the reality is the fix isn't coming any time soon. Get used to it, EvE is a sandbox game along with the sandbox funding problems. You're pushing the game to what it wasn't designed to handle, and still can't 10 years later.

Which is what things MMO 2.0 is about to fix and improve upon.Idea


TEN MILLION a month isn't "little resources" troll, maybe you should relearn business 101?

BTW this is 2013 incase your head is to far up there to notice. With a new "expansion" every 6 months they couldn't update something? NOPE still running the EXCAT SAME thing as 2003 right?? RIGHT??

To CCP:
Stop with the "pretty patches", put away the Barbie dress-up clothes in a spaceship game, and fix the problems.
If you advertise "epic fights with thousands of players" then be able to deliver, or stop making claims you can't back-up.

CCP Falcon
#538 - 2013-07-10 13:31:21 UTC
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

Hey guys.

We've been pretty busy talking about stuff internally, which is why there's been no communication in this thread.

I'll gather up some of the questions from here, and see if I can pin some answers to them in the next few days.



Oh 5 days and 27 pages later you care?

More like "They're not letting it die! Quick to damage control!"



There's thing thing, it's called the weekend, and it's that time where a lot of our development team spend time with their families after working long hours all week.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#539 - 2013-07-10 13:34:21 UTC
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:

TEN MILLION a month isn't "little resources" troll, maybe you should relearn business 101?


Kid, 10 million dollars is less than WoW reels in a week.

When you see how gaming operates at the AAA level, it's more like 30 million a week (FPS games it's hand over fist dollars).

This is why CCP can't just sit on those behinds, they have to get their products looking good for potential players. With more cash, they can fund the projects and THEN you'll see the results.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#540 - 2013-07-10 13:42:34 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:

TEN MILLION a month isn't "little resources" troll, maybe you should relearn business 101?


Kid, 10 million dollars is less than WoW reels in a week.

When you see how gaming operates at the AAA level, it's more like 30 million a week (FPS games it's hand over fist dollars).

This is why CCP can't just sit on those behinds, they have to get their products looking good for potential players. With more cash, they can fund the projects and THEN you'll see the results.


Rofl. WoW also has overhead that is about fifty times that of CCP. Given the size of their company, competing with AI/Blizz is a laughable idea. You are a fool.

CCP is beyond wise not to try, especially when they basically have a niche of the market completely cornered already.

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