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CSM Malcanis what is your problem ?

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#161 - 2013-07-09 13:27:43 UTC
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

For a representative on the CSM. Ya know, the whole reason why the election happen, so the players can choose who will represent them in front of CCP?
Again this represent word?

Has your representative asked you your opinion or views on any issue? Have the CSM as a whole polled the player base on what they want? Did they come to the player with changes CCP was thinking of making and getting our opinion? I see no representation at all in CSM.

For me, I voted for Technical Experts to interface with CCP. Ones I felt were either knowledgeable or brought something to the table. I would have voted for mynnna (Goonswarm and evil of course), if I didn't already believe they were a lock. In game Mynnna would destroy my ships, take all my ISK, and the probably find some way to erase my skill points, but... he knows part of this game that very few do. In his area he is an expert.

He sure doesn't represent me.


Anyone who got elected had a platform. Thats where you had to go to see if they would represent you. If thier ideas were similar to your and in line with what you wanted, you should vote for them. If not, pick someone else.

If nobody's platform was representative of what you wanted, then you should of built your own and run for election. If it was representative of enough toher players, you would of gotten elected.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#162 - 2013-07-09 13:28:09 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
CSM White Paper wrote:
CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT
Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.


Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. Lol

I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set.

If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community.

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Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2013-07-09 13:29:56 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
DED Capsuleer wrote:
Obviously the CSM member you voted for is doing a bullshit job, don't blame those who are representing their voters just fine.


In RL, I've been voting since I was 17. In EvE, I will never vote for a system that's even worse than the US two party politics.



Wow eight pages of this ****?

Seriously, if the US system is so bad, you can find plenty of totalitarian utopias to move to. Two parties is bullshit, one party - best party.
Frying Doom
#164 - 2013-07-09 13:33:25 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
CSM White Paper wrote:
CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT
Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.


Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. Lol

I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set.

If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community.

Another wonderful example of Bullshit.

Have you considered running for the CSM or any political office. You would fit in well. Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#165 - 2013-07-09 13:33:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Continue beliving that. In the meantime, we will get changes to the game that makes sense and make it better instead of a bunch of pubbies' ideas that would break it.


Ah, "pubbies"....

Goons and their diseases.

Can't do it in WoW (Blizzard knows all about this junk to allow it), but spread it 4 channel style in EvE, instead.

BTW, how does it feel to deplete everything, and bank on it refilling your coffers again?

Have to dig deeper Goons to impact the rest of the game -- and Mitt will have to work 2 jobs to sink that amount of cash in game -- because you won't affect the bottom line. That becomes affected, the casino owner changes the rules again, and no toothless CSMs can change that bottom line.

Adults learn that wisdom is the better teacher, not intelligence and rote game play. Goons are a one trick pony, and games can't remain or become stagnant. Dinosaurs are meant to become extinct, you know?

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#166 - 2013-07-09 13:38:08 UTC
Quote:
Adults learn that wisdom is the better teacher, not intelligence


This explains so much.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2013-07-09 13:38:52 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
CSM White Paper wrote:
CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT
Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.


Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. Lol

I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set.

If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community.


That level of truth can be said in a manner that is above douchebaggery.

Only kids without the social skills can't speak to a community lesser than a douche. That drill sergeant didn't get to be a drill sergeant due to his screaming, its due to his LEADERSHIP abilities.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#168 - 2013-07-09 13:45:27 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
You had all the power available


What power again? CSMs have zero power. No gaming company is so foolish to let the mob run it.

It's a show piece for ePeeners...and we see by how much too!


Keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

We'll be over here, getting stuff done.

On a side note, casually "watching" the CSM over the years has given me a mixed reaction into how much power they possess. When something great is added to the game, past CSM members were standing proud, stating they worked with CCP hand-in-hand to get this addition done right. Yet if there is a fiasco episode, much less a change that is not generally accepted by the masses, past CSM members were stating they have no power to change CCP from doing what CCP wants to do and they are but an advisory group at best.

I understand people would want to use the CSM as scapegoats when things do not go their way. But at the same time, the CSM as a whole should accept the criticism if they want to accept the accolades - not dance around to suit their purpose.

Just my thoughts.
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2013-07-09 13:46:08 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
CSM White Paper wrote:
CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT
Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.


Just a quote. Personally it is just bullshit anyway. Lol

I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set.

If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community.


Only kids without the social skills can't speak to a community lesser than a douche.


Bullshit

BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#170 - 2013-07-09 13:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
I would say telling the truth, bluntly and without any sort of rhetoric, is exactly the behavior standard he should set.

If you can't take the level truth, if you can't stand to be talked to without that person kissing your ass, you're in the wrong gaming community.

Quote:
That drill sergeant didn't get to be a drill sergeant due to his screaming, its due to his LEADERSHIP abilities.


Thank you for so eloquently proving my point Ace. Smile

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#171 - 2013-07-09 14:07:19 UTC
Manfred Hideous wrote:
Bullshit

BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children!


Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not.

You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander.

Experience counts, and knowing the difference.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#172 - 2013-07-09 14:08:42 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Thank you for so eloquently proving my point Ace. Smile


When they show actual leadership, you have a point. Blink

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2013-07-09 14:20:27 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents.

Malcanis does not represent CCP. He is not a CCP employee or contractor.

Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#174 - 2013-07-09 14:37:27 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Manfred Hideous wrote:
Bullshit

BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children!


Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not.

You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander.

Experience counts, and knowing the difference.


LOL. You don't appear to know the meaning of those words you're using.

By saying bullshit, he was saying "I strongly disagree with your claim' albeit in much more laconic terms. If anything, his use of the language was like tightly written code and a beauty to behold.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#175 - 2013-07-09 15:07:12 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Budrick3 wrote:
Agreed, he is not representing CCP in a good light or the people that he represents.

Malcanis does not represent CCP. He is not a CCP employee or contractor.

Even if, as the more easily offended might assert, he is occasionally less than diplomatic in the forums, he is a zealous advocate of sanity and common sense when it comes to his CSM duties, and thus enjoys the unanimous support of his colleagues and, as far as I know, the vast majority of those voters who wisely included him in their ballots.


Game with 500k accounts, how many of the "vast majority" even voted in itself? I didn't. Didn't take but less than 30 minutes reading not only the applicants platforms, it's history to see this toothless monster doesn't even have dentures!

And on top of it, a guy above hit the nail on the head about CSM for leadership: they are around to promote themselves over popular features, but when they show up for unpopular features that may even make players physically sick, their "leadership" is to support the very feature that can make people sick.

That's not leadership. That's self-promotion.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#176 - 2013-07-09 15:10:54 UTC
Manfred Hideous wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Manfred Hideous wrote:
Bullshit

BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children!


Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not.

You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander.

Experience counts, and knowing the difference.


LOL. You don't appear to know the meaning of those words you're using.

By saying bullshit, he was saying "I strongly disagree with your claim' albeit in much more laconic terms. If anything, his use of the language was like tightly written code and a beauty to behold.


Half the time the people posting don't even bother to read what they're commenting about before posting, this is an example of that half. ^P

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Manfred Hideous
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2013-07-09 15:46:30 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Manfred Hideous wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Manfred Hideous wrote:
Bullshit

BTW, Douche is offensive to a lot of people. Maybe you should tone down that harsh rhetoric. Think of the children!


Like I said, kids think they're smart and show by example by how much they're not.

You don't see the douchebaggery seen online, offline. Why? Because the kids knows the consequences they're used too. Adults fight their battles in court, over libel and slander.

Experience counts, and knowing the difference.


LOL. You don't appear to know the meaning of those words you're using.

By saying bullshit, he was saying "I strongly disagree with your claim' albeit in much more laconic terms. If anything, his use of the language was like tightly written code and a beauty to behold.


Half the time the people posting don't even bother to read what they're commenting about before posting, this is an example of that half. ^P


I don't blame you for not bothering to read my comment. There's probably another word in there that you didn't understand. Blink
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2013-07-09 16:33:31 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Did you vote?


its easy to bullshit around and have some kids vote for you, its much harder to achieve something meaningful with integrity

I take that as a no.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2013-07-09 16:37:20 UTC
I have had my differences with CSM Malcanis, but he is doing what I expected of him, which is why he got all my votes.

@OP the game need not cater to every new player that thinks the game need "Change X and Y but don't forget to change Z also because that would make the game so cool!!!1111"

You have a privilege of an open forums where the game developers read ideas and I have seen some come to fruition. This can be taken away at there whim.

Oh and just for good measure: Bullshit!

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2013-07-09 16:52:55 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
Aside from the profanity, I don't see anything wrong with his statement. He's making an assertion about a player that will not admit that he/she has been snookered properly and within normal operating conditions.

Although, I wonder... If any of us regular players said, "Bullshit" or used any other profane words within our posts, even when making valid points, will our threads get locked for cause? If so, then it is inappropriate for him to use profane language in his posts because it is a forum rules violation. He should not get any special perks or treatment and be allowed to use such words when the rest of us cannot.

However, if it ain't against the rules to say "Bullshit" in a thread post, then where's the problem?

So, is it against the rules, or is it not against the rules? Referee? The rule book, please.

I've said it more than a few times myself, and I don't recall ever getting a thread locked or getting banned because of it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)